Some scientists would be popping open the champagne, but not Bhathal. He knows better than to jump at conclusions. There have only been a few signals as important as the one he picked up in the twenty years of SETI, but they have all been dismissed as something meaningless, at least officially speaking.
This signal however, still has potential. Bhathal is continuing to monitor the same coordinates, hoping for a repeat performance. This information was just made known to the general public in last week or so. It is strange to me that it took 5 months to hear about this.
This brings me to a question: Is it possible, that if one of these SETI stations did confirm an extraterrestrial signal, could they, or would they, keep this from the public? What are your thoughts on this?
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There are rumours that SETI has been recieving ET signals for some time now. There is a government cover up. But will soon be brought to light!
I have no doubt they would keep this from the public. They kept this last near miss from everyone until it was safely past the planet. I’m sure there is some protocol that they must adhere to before anouncing anything to the public. And I’m sure the government tells them what they can disclose. And you thought you lived in a free country?
I would call it a code of practice like in most things that anything significant must not be released to media without proof and understanding. Seti search for signals of contact to other worlds but how strange that some of us believe we have contact here on earth already and still we cannot give proof or understanding.
Most of the citizens believe in ET’s already, many through their own personal experiences. The public is just waiting for confirmation from their governments and that won’t come until a spaceship lands on the White House lawn and takes away our president. Then, and maybe then, will it be confirmed.
I recently saw a TV interview with the director of the SETI program, who promptly went on public record with the personal notion that the existance of extra terrestrial life and/or at least the presence of their activity here is nonsense.
It is shocking to think that they would deliberately select somebody with such a mind-set to run an expensive and critically important program that at the very least should be expected to maintain an open mind on the possibility.
There is a huge problem in many areas of science with terminal cases of run-away personal ego.
“I am so intelligent and so important that if there actually were any aliens, surely they would have contacted me personally by now”
Do I think a discovery or even the hint of one would be suppressed? Of course. Too many professional reputations depends on it.
Go on record and then be proven wrong on something even once, and your career in science is ruined.
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permit me to leand my 3 cents here, since i hold doctorate in 3 fields from estonian university of life sciences…the phenomena about which you speak of is EXTRA dimensional, not ultra dimensional …
(if you do not understand this email me i will be glad to explain)
in the same way, the phenomena is ULTRA terrestrial, not extra terrestrial, as my research and dissertation has indicated…what i am saying is that our perception of our dimens-iality must be re-perceived to include the presence of star gates and portals on the face planet…
einstein noted that time and space is a fabric which can be stretched or squeezed by certain particular circumstances and conditions- humans have not yet (publicly) discovered this technology but when “disclosure” occurs…
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then we shall see what we shall see…
Gospod blogoslovit tibia!!!
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Even if we confirm a signal of unknown origin, which we haven’t yet according to the SETI researchers, the signal would have to be determined to be of ET origin and not something natural or a computer glitch. And of course for that, we’d have to determine what message the signal contains – a lot of work involved here; more than just pointing a detector at the sky and shouting yahooo when we pick something up. The scientific world is very stringent and rightfully so otherwise they would look stupid announcing they’ve detected an alien signal when in fact it may be later determined to be something else. This has happened with radio signals – at first great excitement, but after further study nothing spectacular. Also the signal has to be picked up from different locations on Earth repeatedly I would expect to determine that the received signal is in fact from the location in the sky that was first thought. Surely an advanced civilisation could at least realise that we’d have these necessary stringest policies and transmit for more than 1 of our nights. We could say some are possibly cover-ups, but I’d have to say they’re most likely not. Do you realise how excited these researchers would get if they found an alien signal, they would not be able to keep quiet for long… in fact in 1967 when we first detected pulsars, this was mistakenly thought to possibly be ETs. The guy called it the wow signal, and claimed it could be aliens. So it seems unlikely they’d cover up this kind of discovery.
Now onto the issue about why they don’t take it seriously about the possibility of aliens being here. Well… most scientists will say life is out there, but just too difficult to get here. This notion will probably change as we understand more about hypothetical drives that our current knowledge of physics can explain – such as fusion drives, and even recently some scientists said warp drives could be possible. Certainly almost near the realms of claimed anti-grav (free energy) propulsion, but yet have to hear anyone credible explain how they could be even possible.
So yes I think the idea of aliens travelling here will slowly become more credible to them. If they have their own ufo sighting that will likely make them change their minds completely, even if not publicly. And the ultimate mind changer will be disclosure of the ET presence by a government. Fingers crossed the French disclose this summer as the guy at the conference recently suggested. Although I doubt it will for a while happen yet.
And I don’t really blame scientists for being sceptical if they haven’t had their own sightings. I mean I would be too, and I still look for other possibilities just in case there are any. I’m also surprised as to why astronomers don’t see ufos or maybe they just keep it to themselves. I’ve heard someone suggest some people are more switched-on and so see them, when others don’t. I’m not so sure, it’s certainly possible, but I’d still say it’s more likely just a coincidence and that astronomers possibly go with the explanation of new testing of top of the range military craft. If not then it’s probably fear of ridicule and not anyone pressuring to keep quiet, just they don’t want to destroy their careers.
It’s amazingly disgusting how a large part of the public think aliens are only going to ever exist in science-fiction, and condemn anyone who suggests that they even exist, yet go to church and proclaim god must exist. It’s just a bit too silly and even more sillier than they don’t even realise this.
I do think any real sceptic will not deny if such disclosure happens or a huge ship made a stop over a large city whilst being broadcast on a live news channel with a million witnesses. Well they might argue they want to see the aliens in person to confirm, but they’d agree this is some new technology that we could not have developed on our own. And I’m sure the scientists who’ve seen ufos will be just like us, telling their close friends and family “I told you so etc”. After all they are only human, and just like us would be ecstatic about the official discovery of ET.
Quote from news story on this: “Instead of celebrating, he’s spent the past few months meticulously investigating whether the unrecognised signature was caused by a glitch in his instrumentation, a rogue astrophysical phenomenon, or some unknown random noise.
Even if he picks up the signal again – he’s been scouring the same co-ordinates of the night sky on an almost daily basis since – the scientific rule book dictates he’ll need to get it peer-reviewed before he can take his announcement to the world. “And that is a lot of ifs,” he concedes.”
why would they show this to us? most people would panic. then you have the whole religions debate.
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Well since science is about discovering the truth I don’t think they would have the same mindset as a religious organisation. Who are “they” that you refer to? Since “they” could not keep researchers quiet about previous signals mistakenly thought to be ET, I don’t think “they” will be able to in future. The rules are stringent before an official announcement in the scientific world to prevent embarrassment if found to be of natural origin.
I don’t think any religion has any legs left to stand on anyway with our current scientific knowledge. Religions always find a way to manipulate their beliefs to fit world views accepted as fact, just as they have done accepting evolution. And it won’t be any different with aliens. Religions will find a way for them to fit it into their spaghetti-monster beliefs. I think already some are saying life other than on Earth is fine… so there you go!
To be honest I also think those that panic will get over it, and the majority wouldn’t even care because their self-centred attitudes would expect too much. A gradual introduction would minimise chaos, but I agree if aliens mass landed everywhere even the most calm people would freak out a bit.
Now this is a great discussion thread! Interesting food for thought!
Of course ‘they’ would
margi, it’s been shown that the government doesn’t tell SETI researchers to keep quiet as they haven’t kept quiet in the past when signals were mistakenly thought to be ET in origin and Blathal obviously hasn’t kept quiet has he?! And he’s absolutely right when he says he says it has to be peer-reviewed and confirmed multiples times and from different locations, otherwise we “cannot” confirm anything. These people are not amateurs for crying out loud.
I suppose you could say well the government knew the 1960’s signals wasn’t ET and they already knew it was pulsars so didn’t need to cover it up, and maybe the same is true for this signal and that it’s natural in origin as well. Alternately the government may not need to tell them to keep quiet if they know the signal won’t repeat itself and whether or not it’s actually an ET signal, it cannot then be confirmed, and so in itself the rigorous scientific principles help keep a cover-up in place.
I would like to see an attempt by the government to try and keep the lid on any signal which is confirmed to be ET, as SETI researchers would have emailed or faxed the data to nearly everyone in the SETI community to check it out, and that’s after different telescopes had already confirmed the signal. It would be simply impossible to keep the lid on that! Not unless they hire hitmen to take out every SETI scientist in the world. LOL.
I see people saying this could be kept quiet, but feasibly how will they do that without resorting to some magic alien technology which we don’t really know whether they have it or not. The only feasible way I can see a lid kept on things like this is if they blocked the signal from arriving at the dish or receiver. Therefore presuming they know the origin of all transmissions passing by Earth. And just to add, what would it really matter if we discovered that life is out there to the government and resident aliens. It doesn’t prove that aliens are here or that the government has covered anything up. In fact SETI will persist until they find something, it doesn’t make any sense to force a cover up of something which can’t be confirmed 100% to be of ET origin. We may decode a laser signal and find prime numbers in a form of coding that is unique. But we’ll never really have the final proof it’s definitely not a naturally produced signal, not until we shake hands with them anyway.
A generalisation on my point is that itss best to try and stick to as few assumptions as possible. For example if you say yes we detected an ET signal, yes the SETI researcher was told to keep quiet and yes the government told him to keep quiet, and the government has the ability to prevent all data from being sent to other researchers, and yes the SETI guy could be convinced, and yes there was a need for them to cover this up. You would have to agree that’s at least 6 assumptions. I’m sure there’s many more assumptions I could add if I spend more time thinking about it. You see how silly it can get if you make so many assumptions of assumptions of assumptions of assumptions etc. Where do you stop?, and the lines between reality and fantasy become extremely distorted. And any good sceptic will have a field day making fun of that. I don’t see how they’ll ever take it seriously unless we can start to use more logic as a collective unit and form some kind of rational thinking.
Why do we even look for a signal? I for one have seen a ufo I for one know that the ET are out their, I am sure the goverments know they are out their, I think they use this as a cover up it sure works like a cover up, I think we need to move on and prove by pictures and other ways to prove the ET are here already. Good hunting for I am not having any luck seeing one sense the only one I have seen in 1983, let me tell you all it was real but I can not prove it no pictures not a thing to prove it but I do not have to prove it to me for I know what I saw is real ET. Bill Davidson
It seems quite impossible that in the millions or even billions of years a laser beam may have been on it’s journey, it did not hit a target until the receiver of SETI…And even if it’s real, depending on how far away the source, would we ever be able to reply and expect a reply back? Doubtful.
I consider the whole SETI thing a big waste of time and money. After all thousands of us have seen UFO’s and many, including myself, have seen them and the aliens from the insides of their craft. Many of us had no choice in the matter, I didn’t.
seti will not tell if they got signals from et because the goverments of the world do not want us to know that!! -h
It stands to reason, the listened to space signal, would be kept secret, due to all those who say they know better. Good thing Christer Columbas, didn’t have to report his discoveries right away, so by the time they did make the information public, those in the KNOW, were able to asses what was heard,& relaize what they actually had.. Right Mary-Ann L. Gendron, B.., Canada
I find it amusing to see so many of you talk of a government cover-up. The “Government” is all the elected representatives and bureaucrats who are going about their business of managing the day to day operations of the country. 99.99% of people in our government know nothing of any alien cover-up or conspiracy. It is the “shadow government” within, which controls everyone else. Except for a few exceptions no one from the Executive, Legislative or Judicial branches knows anything more than the rest of us. There is a group of men within the CIA/FBI/Military who have the knowledge and power to do what they believe is best for the country and the world. They do not hesitate to use that power as they have done for many years. They will use others to do their bidding from the President or Vice President on down and God help those who get in the way. Think of 1963 and 1968 as the obvious examples.
They are with us now.
Just one point……… Astronomers DO see UFOs
Back in 1990s the then deputy head of astronomy at the Mt Stromlo observatory in NSW Australia had her own website explaining her own sightings and experiences. She was a member of the Australian UFO research network and an active UFO researcher. Since the observatory burnt down in the Canberra fires I dont know where she has gone but she was adamant that other astronomers had also had sightings and experiences.
Secondly …… You question the validity of SETI and rightly so, Why not also question the validity of NASA’s space shuttle program.
Why are they still using reaction ass drives when someone (Most believe our black ops programs possess alien tech) has the ability to fly, hover and leave Earth’s atmosphere at will with Gravity drives
So “Invasion of BS” do you not also agree that those originally in governments that found out the truth most likely kept quiet because they were forced to, and the same still being true now except only a very few ever find out. And that means they in essence may also be involved in the cover-up process directly or indirectly, whether by choice or not.
Oh and whoever was president in the late 40s and 50s probably were as much involved in decision making about the ET presence as his military or intelligence officials. And does anyone actually consider that we may be better off not knowing what they discovered for a damn good reason. For example, say they were told by the aliens they’d remove us from this planet if they ever officially told the public.
The Cabal is more than US military, they are the Vatican, England’s Royal family,the Clintons, Bill Gates types, and many more, so there is politics, computer techno, religion, monarchy and etc that has their “hands” in the pie and each division has their own way of controlling the public, has the money,for sure, to pull it off and the greedy nature to want more and don’t care how they get it.
Usually they are people/industries of power who others look up to and would probably turn to when a crisis happens, we are being played right into the lion’s mouth.
OBTH there are many others I haven’t mentioned.
I believe Ufochaser is correct that Astronomers do come across mystery objects that they cannot solve. It is probably logged in their records that they can only conclude from their observation that they could have seen a UFO.
Suzie, you are correct that there are individuals and organizations outside the traditional seats of power. There is no need to speculate about who the individuals are because they are probably the last ones you would expect. You may not like or trust some of the people you mention but to assume they are part of the cover-up is of no benefit. To say that the Catholic Church is part of it is only partly true. There are those within the upper echelons of the Papacy who have knowledge of what is happening. There is, of course a need to protect the church from the acceptance, by the public, of any knowledge that would affect their power or finances. This is knowledge that goes back, not decades, but centuries. What John says about the Aliens having the ability to “remove us from the planet” is not only true but it would not be the first time. The church is aware of the past interventions but they were doctored to fit into the “divine” scenario. Certain writings relative to the truth were suppressed long ago. There are “books” which were withheld from the bible and there were others which were doctored to keep the secret. If the truth were ever revealed, it would mean the end of Christianity as well as anything derived from Moses and the burning bush, and that includes Judaism and Islam.
They are here and they are watching.
Peace
yes I think they would not tell the public for obvious reasons
Invasion: not speculation on who is a member. Re Vatican DYK that they recently made an announcement that it is acceptable to believe in UFO’s and Aliens? Also considering their great wealth and treasures, isn’t it funny that they don’t put it to good use in helping the less fortunate, what about letting all the molesters preach “The Word”?
Having their followers worship statues (idols)saints, and go against so much in the bible?
Their motive is not a kind as they want you to believe. They have a tight grip on many humans and when their world of religion blows up in their face and people find out the truth and who God and Jesus really are, they have hatched the plan to let the people accept aliens because they want to keep their followers or the money that they hold so dear will stop pouring in.
As far as the others, it has nothing to do with who I like, I was sorely disappointed when I found out about some of them because of my admiration of them or their works,
If you want to protect yourself do your homework and find out who is behind it all.
yes i bet if we get a signal some where tonight and some one was trying to talk to us the GOV would not say thing and it sad i would like to hear of a planet that has life and i hope the president talk to the gov and tell them the truth on what going on now.
LOL there’s so much inaccurate about the last comment I don’t know where to even begin.
You wanna’ hear of a planet with life. How about our planet – I heard there’s life here. Intelligent? Not so sure.
Hi there to all! Just my piece of mind, due to personal experience in hi regard!
A signal can be sent from anywhere and received by any electronic device. Any piece of electronic equipment works on frequencies, and thus for the possibility to exist for such equipment to be influenced accordingly, either by man or unknown sources or then by God. This is indeed possible, as it happened to me on 17 June 2007.
I am from Pretoria, South Africa, but it seems like these kind of incidents do not occur on a regular basis within my country, as they are not familiar with things like EVP or ITC …
Yes, I have a 4min 12 sec digital recording of a ’signal’ that was send and which I have received.
Let’s just say it might be the next WOW! Signal (America, 15 Aug 1977) that was received by mankind … with one difference, … It’s recorded and could be played back whenever I want to to confirm the detail or information on it!
It has been almost two years now since the incident, but it is difficult to explain the unknown, to explain any super-natural activity that took place, especially if you were involved yourself.
It is thus easy to ask questions like ‘… why didn’t they come forward when it occured? …’ . Well, I tried, but no-one wants to listen to me, not even the media … but I personally feel that it is because people might think that these incidents were man-made and regarded as hoaxes.
The best part of it all, is hat the signal that I received, has Biblical information written all-over it. By means of the content, I can make a claim that I can connect science(technology is science) with religion … but no one believes me. It’s almost like a UFO incident or story … you could either believe me, or not, but do not discard the incident due to the lack of knowledge or faith or your disbelieve with regards to the content of the Bible from your side. Because then it is your own problem, instead of conclusions based on facts.
The world is definately in for a surprise … time will tell … it’s just a matter of time before this is to be made known to the rest of the world.
I am not planning to keep this a secret as with the Roswell incident’s or likings … I WILL make this known, if only I can be listened to by people who are realy interested.
Feel free to contact me in this regard, you’re welcome, and I can’t wait to read people’s remarks or to see the various reactions or hear their change of opinions when I will start to tell my theory on all Paranormal activities.
Enjoy the rest of your day,
Quintus
It amazes me how some people can write so many words and never say anything. “Don’t follow leaders, watch the parking meters.” Bob Dylan