Phoenix Lights-2007
Monday February 12, 2007
Everyone knows about the Phoenix Lights of
1997, and we all know that since that time, there have been sporadic sightings there, some with multimedia accompaniment. There is still much controversy about the original sightings-debunkers still contend that all that was seen was dropping flares. I have spoken my mind on this a number of times, and will continue to as needed. Those were not flares. People saw structured flying objects, some of them very close to the witnesses.
Now, there is incredible footage of a large flying object taken over Phoenix on February 6, 2007. Although the video is not yet available for download, you can see it. Believe me, this is great footage. Police phone lines were overcome with calls about the sightings, as were news stations. This time, at least somebody was ready to swing into action. At about 8:00 PM, a SkyFox helicopter was dispatched, saw the lights themselves, and took amazing video of the object. This time, there is no way that it can be written off as "flares." See for yourself at Phoenix Lights, 2007.
(Image copyright: www.myfoxphoenix.com)
Comments
Once every ten years that military base there unpacks a crate of flares, hangs them on some high tech remote controlled helium-balloon-parachute-type-thingees, and drops them out of a C130 just for old time sake.
Just a training mission folks! Just a training mission!
Phoenix goes UFO wild, and everyone out at Area 51 sits back, and has a great laugh.
I’d say the thing to be watching for?
Is what you DON’T see - like all the stealth aircraft flying out of Groom Lake over the south west on their way to parts unknown - most every night of the week.
Heck I’m just guessing. You know if FOX knows so much why didn’t they fly their helicopter toward the lights?
JP
everyone knows that fox news is the governments little puppet and any other news helicopter most likely would have gotten closer to take clear video and give us some real pictures to back up what these things supposedly are instead of just telling us what they were told from the army.I know there is protocol in airspace to maintain a certain distance away from other flying objects, is this maybe the reason they did not get a good video? FOX NEWS IS NOT TELLING US WHY THEY COULD NOT GET CLOSER FOR A CLEARER IMAGE.
When you here the explanation it seems so normal. But I ask you what type flares can maintain alignment like that in the wind? Unless there was no wind. Did anyone check the weather?
J. Capp
ufo mm
Sorry to disappoint you guys but those were not “flares”.
I hope its comforting to know we are not alone lately.
Me
I’m very often willing to take huge leaps of faith on UFO footage, but this is some of the least compelling footage I’ve ever seen. The way they fall down, slowly burn on and burn off is VERY flare/fire like.
In fact, calling this UFO footage only hurts a cause that many of us take very seriously and care deeply about. I know it gives this column something to talk about, but let’s not look like Jerry Springer guests. If these are UFO’s, they are the slowest, least maneuvering UFO’s we’ve ever seen.
I don’t think these are flares do to the stability that they display. However I doubt that it is an alien craft either. Fox should have moved in for a closer look and maybe the mystery would have been solved.
This could be solved very easily. If someone with stature ask the Air Force to drop those flares in the daylight. I am very interested on how they make the flares stay lined up like that, simple enough.
UFO Media Matters.
from a distance, a series of dropped flairs would appear to be somewhat lined up, much like the lights in that picture are. However, if you look more cloesly, they are not in a perfect line. The flair furthest to the right is slightly lower than the flair to the left, etc etc. The flair furthest to the right has not fully deployed it’s parachute and will join the others in “a line” when it does. Watch any video of parachuted objects being dropped off from aircraft and you’ll see this exact same effect.
Just a question - if they were just flares dropped from parachutes, would they be moving across the sky all at the same speed?
Watch the fox video - I could be way off base because I am not well-versed in physics, but if you look at a fixed point on the ground while watching the lights, you will see that they appear to be moving across the sky. I’m open to correction. Thanks.
well, it it helps any–I have had two UFO dreams in the past few days–and I believe they are related…. to this occurence in Phoenix.
I have a vast array of knowledge..too bad have to keep it all bottled up all the time.
Me
I don’t think having UFO dreams helps any. i have them frequently with regards to current events and they are startling, but these are dreams and the mind is a powerful center for creativity and reinterpretation when sleeping.
Me, you said “I have a vast array of knowledge..too bad have to keep it all bottled up all the time.”…anyone that claims they have vast information but simply cannot say for WHATEVER REASON is hurting the study of ufology and is simply not telling the truth. If you’d like to participate in this field, you need to hold yourself to a higher standard and not play games.
The author said: “This time, there is no way that it can be written off as ‘flares.’”
Did you watch the video?! The witness in the air says it’s flares, explains their purpose, why they stay suspended in the air, and we see one of the lights shorting out and reigniting.
I’m not saying case closed, but this is hardly a slam dunk. In fact, it makes 10 years ago less mysterious.
I’m open to UFO’s, but I think UFOlogists WANT to believe so badly that they often lose their objectivity, as the author did here.
This video is curious, at best. But I will grant you one loophole in the explanation (which no one has yet mentioned) — if this is indeed a practice for potential bombing runs under the cover of darkness… is it wise to be able to be seen by THOUSANDS of people in 3 CITIES for over 3 HOURS? So much for sneaking up on the enemy…
(QUOTE:)Me, you said “I have a vast array of knowledge..too bad have to keep it all bottled up all the time.”…anyone that claims they have vast information but simply cannot say for WHATEVER REASON is hurting the study of ufology and is simply not telling the truth. If you’d like to participate in this field, you need to hold yourself to a higher standard and not play games.
I MEANT CAN’T SAY IT ALL ON THE NET!
Of course it is logged regularly by a prominent ufologist…as it is very fascinating. I even been able to ward off abductions…
that was the wackiest piece of evidence and reporting ive ever seen. What a wank! they do behave like flares, but if they are flares, do you expect us to believe the military uses them for a bombing run at night. Cmon, weve all seen the footage of night bombing runs in Iraq…you dont need flares. I think something smells…maybe the need to create a diversion!
Also….ufo believers…dont say its final proof, or conclusive evidence when its not….it makes you look like an idiot.
Brett
When I was in the military and stationed overseas (Europe), night military exercises were conducted from time to time. Large, long-burning magnesium flares were used to illuminate the battlefield, and they could stay airborne for a considerable time (by design) due to the large parachutes attached to them. The Phoenix lights look very much like a string of flares of that type.
It is probable that the Fox helicopter could not get any closer because the military range where the flares were being dropped was closed to non-authorized traffic. This is a routine procedure any time the airspace over a military area is “hot”.
If these lights moved around independently or exhibited anomalistic characteristics, I would be more inclined to accept that they represent controlled vehicles of some type. But in the absence of empirical evidence to the contrary, I have to feel that these lights are military flares.
I would like to add that the large flying objects reported over Phoenix are another matter entirely. We are all aware that there have been numerous reports of large triangular or flying-wing type objects with odd lighting arrangements and inaudible propulsion systems. There has been speculation that these are “stealth blimps”, but at this point I don’t know of any irrefutable information that would substantiate that. So for the time being, the black triangles represent true UFO’s, regardless of whether they belong to the Greys or some deep black department of the US government.
this is rubish
I just love #15 SAM B’s comment, just as bad as fox news explanation of things,just another puppet of the government.SHALL WE PLEASE LET FOX NEWS COME FORWARD WITH AN EXPLANATION WHY THEY COULD NOT GET CLOSER FOR A CLEARER IMAGE.
i met the et humanoids thus the debate about the craft is worthless.as far as i can discern there are other aliens trying to get close to them for no good purpose.
They very well could be flares.
But this is disinformation at it its best.
Remember ten years ago, people reported looking up at the craft slowly moving over the city.
Maybe it wasn’t a craft, perhaps just a huge blimp with some lights, but it wasn’t flares then.
So ten years later we see FOX go up in what very much looks like a totally planned report. Mr. FOX flare expert, and they keep their distance?
They have one of the biggest stories right there, and they’re reporters, and they don’t even consider turning the copter toward the lights to cross the city toward the desert?
I’m not saying they had to fly over any airspace they shouldn’t but for god’s sake if it had been a big auto pile up they would have gone closer.
No, there’s something very very suspect about the whole event - like it had been planned - prepared for.
So why go to all that trouble?
For a bunch of flares?
I don’t think so.
This is part of a con game. FOX gets its exclusive - the tool that it is, and everyone gets great video of something that may be flares.
But it doesn’t say a thing about what was seen ten years ago over the very same city does it?
And that’s why this is disinformation, because it was staged to confuse people about what took place ten years ago.
Gentlemen, I sincerely doubt that you would accept any explanation from anyone which does not fit your preconceived notions. If Fox would come forward and say outright that they were denied permission to approach the operation, you would no doubt dismiss that as quickly as you have all other suggestions. Gary, may I suggest that you e-mail Fox and recommend to them that they come clean? I, too, would be interested to see what they have to say.
I base my comments on years of experience in the military, and as a former air traffic controller and currently-licensed pilot. If you are so certain that the possible explanations offered so far are rubbish, and that there is a government conspiracy and/or coverup, then please present your evidence instead of speculation and conjecture. I will be glad to give it consideration.
dear sam b, you sure have done a lot with your live, are you sure your not also a astronaut who has been to the moon because now your an expert in all these fields.you are a very impressive human being.
If they were flares, as reported, why not have the Air Force “repeat” the experiment, with advance notice, and PROVE it to everyone.
It seems so simple to debunk it if it was really flares.
Every time the flare explanation is given, people fall back on the “slow-moving triangle” reports…..Yet ALL of the numerous videos from 1997 shows the string of amber lights southwest of the valley over the Goldwater range. Where are the “slow-moving, low-flying triangles” videos ?? There are none.
For those of you who wonder why the helicopter didn’t get close, the distance away is one part of the equation, and the fact that the range is restricted airspace.
There are plenty of ufo reports that have a lot more merit than this, where even police have seen unconventional structured craft at close range (e.g. the Illinois sightings in 2000)….
Check that one out, and tell me again about the “Phoenix Lights”
This event represents an IFO (identified flying object).
“Just a question - if they were just flares dropped from parachutes, would they be moving across the sky all at the same speed?
Watch the fox video - I could be way off base because I am not well-versed in physics, but if you look at a fixed point on the ground while watching the lights, you will see that they appear to be moving across the sky.”
They appear to be moving because the helicopter that they are being filned from is moving. If you were to stand on a fixed point on the ground and not be moving in a fast helicopter, the flares would appear to “sit” in the sky. They are in fact, drifting downwards at very slow space and theyre not released from 10,000ft, theyre released much higher than that. Parachutes cannot keep flares in the sky for 3 hours if only dropped at 10,000ft. So straight away, some facts have been twisted here. They were flares however, that much I do know.
And for those who cannot understand why flares would be used on bombing runs since that would advertise our presence, do please keep in mind that this is a training excersize on a live firing range and not a real war situation. LOL.
If the airforce, knowing the hooplah and all the people that were upset 10 years ago, were going to repeat this same scenario, then why did they not tell people to not get scared or start crying UFO before they did the experiment. they didn’t have to give exact timing if it had to be secret. They were aware of the problems then and should have expected excitement again because it looks so close as 10 years ago whicb is suspicious that it was that time period.
If this is true that they are in fact flares then why did they not issue a waring.. They had to have known and unless they are sick puppies, they should have prepared the public for seeing something unusual. Are they trying to make people upset and all excited. Sure looks that way.
1997 Phoenix lights- Local politician on local news, someone dress as an ET,everyone laughing, joking. Home video airforce dropping flares. Oh my!This was a classic government cover up. I ask why didn’t they report the real ufo event or events that happenened earlier that day. Lead by the nose by the government obviously
Most people that arent so dumbed down can see this was not flares and for fox to quickly say it was flares is a frign joke, you people that get on here to confirm what fox says are a total disgrace shame on you to think people are that stupid. The truth is out and it’s not going to stop no matter how much money you make faking comments for them!
Detailed video analysis was in the next day. They’re flares. Go here and see for yourself: http://www.azfamily.com/unexplained
They DO fall, they DO flicker, they DO burn out within 5 minutes of appearing. All are clear signs of flare activity.
There’s a 14 page story in the March issue of UFO magazine all about the Phoenix Lights. Check it out!
To the diehard UFO buffs and conspiracy theorists…ask yourself why no one from Gila Bend reported seeing UFOs in either 1997 or a few weeks back??? It is because they are used to seeing flares dropped on the Goldwater Range over the years…. This area is over 100 miles from Phoenix and all you could see were brilliant amber orbs which gradually drifted down and either extinguished themselves when exhausted, or fell below the Estrella mountain range.
As I said previously, there are plenty of legitimate UFO sightings at close range of structured craft, even in the daylight….Get it through your heads that this is not one of them… there is no conspiracy… I do not work for the military…. I came from South Florida and I’ve seen the EXACT same phenomenon when flares were dropped over Biscayne Bay by military aircraft from Homestead Airforce Base…. In addition, I saw a much-much brighter single flare test of intense white light which stayed in the air for several minutes and was designed to be used for night fighting in the Viet Nam war. I was located about 3 miles away and the light cast shadows…..
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck…..I recommend that everyone either buy or check-out the Hynek UFO Report published in the late 1970’s…In it you will find the most compelling ufo reports presented in a lucid, unbiased manner…. Unless you enjoy fiction, I would disregard any further literature which entertains an unconventional explanation for the “Phoenix Lights”…. The case is closed…..It is an IFO, folks.
With all the new high technology devices they have surely they can have something that lights up the sky better than the same old flares that are causing so much controversy. They have all kinds of night vision advanced technology so some of you military people can explain so why are they still using flares the same old flares when they have much better and more efficient technology. They do all fade out eventually. My questions is why they are there at all. I still say there is some fishy reason the military does this. Maybe they are drawing attention away from someting other than the disappearing lights in the sky.
well i just got off the transcommunicator with my buds from alpha ram 6 and they said aliens have nothing to do with this
ET out
First of all let me say as a degreed nuclear physicist and from all of my studies in science and astronomy, I can state as a fact there are countless et worlds in our universe including intelligent forms, some vastly more so and less so than ourselves. But to prove they have contacted our planet will take a single mass eyewitness account from the general public with a large number of independent CLEAR video and photographs regardless of media or government coverage.
Regarding the Phoenix lights:
Phoenix is the 5th most populated city in the United States. However, there are only a dozen or so very grainy and blurry videos of these lights and all from a considerable distance. The reason so is that the vast majority of the people who saw them (est. >10,000) including those in surrounding areas saw nothing spectacular or unworldly because either they figured they were flares or some other type of fireworks resembling something most had seen before. But this time closer and above some portions of the city. That is why you do not see videos from eyewitnesses that were significantly closer to or almost directly below the lights. There are so many people outdoors that time of year and time in the evening because the weather is so nice and many thousands are constantly star gazing.
The few people that took videos or were very alarmed and contacted the police did do because they were caught off guard either (or in combination) because the lights were so bright to them, they hadn’t seen a flare pattern light up in the sky before, they were too far away to see that they were pyrotechnic or saw that they didn’t match the typical constant string of blinking landing plane lights that are always in lined formation as they approach sky harbor airport.
If you are a believer or not that it was an et craft, ask yourself the question, why does it always happen at night (the phoenix lights) and not day time or dusk or dawn? Do you think the aliens were trying not to be noticed so we wouldn’t get spooked or try to shoot them down? According to believers, it was a mile long black v-shaped object moving slowly for the course of 3 hours over almost all of Arizona from Sedona to Tucson. Another question is why weren’t there any storm chaser-like attempted intercepts - like a mass amount of curious risk takers getting into their vehicles trying to get as close as they could taking video the whole time. Actually some people probably did until they got close enough to realize it was a nothing more than a dozen fizzling dropping flares and blew it off. Only a clever few capitalized on the whole event, since most people didn’t see them. Remarkably the media and a few artistically outspoken people truly made this an interesting and curious event. Some are making bundles selling DVDs and books and getting slight fame, which is actually impressive. Only in the good ole US of A.
I’m sorry to say this was not that proving moment when we all go outside in broad daylight and look out in the sky all at once and soil ourselves because this massive thing is hovering over our heads and we all know that its for real and wish we hadn’t. That time has never come in the past - it may possibly in our time here or it may not. If it does, you’ll know about it whether you want to or not.
If it was flares, how does one explain why many witnesses saw the lights travelling in a horizontal direction, over significant distances. Without wind, the flares would slowly fall down vertically. With the wind, they would not maintain formation. How does one explain the lights first reported at the Nevada state line, then two hours later in Phoenix, and then at Tuscon even later on into the light? If everybody watched the same set of flares, shouldn’t all reports happen at about the same time? How come the Tuscon folks didn’t see the lights at the same time as those in Phoenix? Or did the military drop a separate set of flares over each of those locations? This is, however, not what the military claims: their explanation for non-Phoenix sightings is that flares can be seen over extremely large distances. Then, how does one explain the sightings not overlapping in time at different locations accross Arizona. Actually, I suggest one thing: let’s draw a map of Arizona and mark the locations of sightings, together with the time (and duration) of each sighting. I haven’t seen such a map anywhere on the Web. This would be useful to get a better overview picture of the incident.
Have you ever tried to see the stars underneath a streetlight? The brightness of the flares in the sky perfectly explain why those people directly under the “object” could not see any stars in between the lights, thus the triangle shape. Those flares are many times stronger than any streetlight. Try it, a very simple experiment. The stars are simply too dim to be seen.