Your Religion & Aliens
Monday September 29, 2008
I saw an article the other day on the Net, titled If
Ruins Of An Ancient Civilization Are Discovered On Mars, Will You Lose Your Religion?. The article tells us that recent polls show that the majority of people would lose their religion if, in fact, the reality of extraterrestrials was made known to the world at large.
I was told when I was a young boy that if I wanted to avoid problems, don't bring up a discussion on religion or politics. I believe that was sound advice, but we are beginning to see more and more evidence of a possible disclosure that won't allow this advice to be followed anymore.
I would be very interested in your views on this. If you have faith in a higher power, and the US government did in fact officially announce that our planet had been contacted by beings from another world, what changes would you make? Would this admission change your religious beliefs? Speak your mind on this question.
Comments
Billy, I’ve adjusted religion according to what I’ve seen in science. I think most people with a science background already know there must be life out there besides us. I bet you have adjusted your believes also without too much problem. Others will be able to adjust also. Some will create nonsense fantasy alien-God relationships (as we see on the board sometimes). Others will see it in as another one of Gods creations. I don’t think people will have a hard time of it. I think you’re a bit too concerned about it. I don’t think many take the bible and other religious doctrines verbatim. There’s some room for intrepretation. I heard in a preCanna class that marriage wasn’t part of Christianity when it stated, but it has become an important ceremony in religion. Religious doctine will adjust accordingly. The Cardinals will get together and probably come out with some doctrine that deals with the new facts. Christianity has adjusted alot in its 2000 year history. Read a little history of all these changes (for example… the holy roman emperor defeating the Magyar and the muslims at the blessing of the pope. The massacre of the Cathars. Christianty did not want people to read and become educated at one time and burned books. Many changes, they’ll adjust.)
I am sure the Vatican is already aware of the volume of genuine evidence for the existence of other intelligences and ufos. Too many credible experiencers all over the world. For now we must stay good in the religion we are born into. It could be we have always been overwatched throughout time and just going through this process..for something that may be coming. Good question Billy you have made.
In fact, there is pretty sound circumstantial evidence that alien life and ruling on earth in the past is the source of most of our religions and the existance of the human race.
I think that we are living the Apocalypse. It started around 2000-2001, and will end around late 2012 according to Mayan calendar.
In this scenario we have to overcome some trials, e.g. 9-11, Iraqi invasion, fear of terrorism, fear of economic breakdown, fear of disasters, social and politic turmoil etc..
The alien invasion is one of these trials, possibly the worst ever seen. This aliens are (IMO) the biblic demon: they will try everything to cancel Jesus Christ from our lives. The goal is easier to achieve, because of the confusion of the Christian Church and the global dismay due to the alien disclosure.
Everyone that follows the aliens will fall with them in the Armageddon War.
It’s written in the Bible, ch. 13 and so on, but it’s too much simple to be believed….
P.S.: the aliens should be the “second beast” of ch. 13.
I think it depends on how prepared religious leaders are/can be for disclosure. The pope recently said that aliens would be considered one of God’s creations too. So, with enough message slike that disseminated through religious channels, it would help calm the populace. That means getting them on board first, which outside the vatican, is probably a little tricky. Would you trust some of today’s televangelists to handle the news well with their flock? Kind of a pickle…
The signs of impending disclosure aside, can there be a worse time to expect it than now, when Evangelical control in government is showing such dramatic growth?
Religion is religion, and I really don’t think it will matter to most who truly believe whether there are “aliens” or not. If God made us, then maybe the “aliens” are just a different “brand” of creature at the local deity Kwikshop, or a different type of Playdoh (lol). Yeah, dumb comparison, but we don’t know that God DIDN’T make them. And then, there is the possiblilty that they (aliens) made us, and GAVE us our religion because they are so advanced, they could wow us. The possibilities are staggering.
I for one, would be very interested in the “alien’s” view of religion to see if it compares with ours, but no, it wouldn’t change my religion. Unless they could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt (in MY mind…a scary place to be…lol), I’d still believe in God.
Maybe the Dogan tribe’s history sticks are right. I probably won’t be around to find out, if mankind ever does.
This would not change my belief because we have been told by the Bible that not only do aliens exist,but they have interbred with our population and are in fact manipulating and enslaving mankind for there own purposes.Adam was also brought here from another place,this is clear when the scripture says that the curse came to the earth with Adam.
I wouldn’t change a thing. My concept of my creator is certainly large enough to allow for other worlds and beings.
here’s a history of Christianity over the past 2000 year by Wikipedia. Gallileo was put on trial for believing the sun was the center of the solar system and not the earth. But there have been many significant changes throughout Christianity, all of which were pretty big…
…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity#Trial_of_Galileo
‘The Galileo affair, in which Galileo Galilei came into conflict with the Roman Catholic Church over his support of Copernican astronomy, is often considered a defining moment in the history of the relationship between religion and science.
In 1610, Galileo published his Sidereus Nuncius (Starry Messenger), describing the surprising observations that he had made with the new telescope. These and other discoveries exposed major difficulties with the understanding of the heavens that had been held since antiquity, and raised new interest in radical teachings such as the heliocentric theory of Copernicus.
In reaction, many scholars maintained that the motion of the Earth and immobility of the Sun were heretical, as they contradicted some accounts given in the Bible as understood at that time. Galileo’s part in the controversies over theology, astronomy and philosophy culminated in his trial and sentencing in 1633, on a grave suspicion of heresy.’
Nope, it wouldn’t change my beliefs. Perhaps add to them….I think the atheists and the Satanists are just hoping it will.
all religions come from a higher power of one sort or another,god,jesus,allah etc..if et’s proved to be real and responsible for our existence then all religions would be proven b.s…….PERIOD!
God created everything.I am sure the oldest religions know science is science Gods days were not like our days.Do people forget there are many mansions he goes to prepare a place for us.I truly believe in God.Seeing what I have seen doesn’t make me believe any different than yesterday.I know that alot of people that say they believe better get off there high horse and really believe.Religion have kept us on the staight and narrow now is the time to show how much you trust in God.Our people have lots to prove to God before we get to see our neighbors out in space.If people panic because of what is happening then they had no faith or strenght.People will panic because of all those scary movies out there.I think it is just wonderful no matter what they look like they are still our brothers and sisters out there.Lets hope they are not like us lets hope all wars and evil disapear I hope at last we will all get along and prosper and grow into being what God wants us to be.I hope and pray people don’t panic and everyone opens there arms wide open in a peaceloving way.They may be more advanced than us but they are here to show us I believe with all my heart the love of neighbor. They come to watch us so we don’t blow up our planet I know they want us to work at cleaning our earth.They have alot to teach us.It is time for all goverments to admit that we have been in contact I don’t think they need to be threatened by our goverments.We all need to work in peace and stop fighting one another.They see us as agressors and what away to meet new friends.Like I have always said there are good and bad in all races.Even if we bleed different colors.Throughout the world people make fun of other people if they are different that us. IT’S TIME TO SHOW WE ARE ABOVE THAT.Fear is not knowing but it is time to change that also.Lets all change for the better of mankind.If enough of us stop and turn around and smile at the next person and carry on like that our world would be so much better for that.Lets start helping one another lets start being kind and giving.They have never created a war with us.Yes some people get abducted but because of fear we imagine all sorts of bad bad stuff happening to us. We panic.I know I would probably die if I was abducted because my imagination runs wild.When they probe us they hurt us at least some are hurt. I hate that but maybe because we panic.At least they could put us asleep first.But maybe they don’t know no better.All I know is our world is going to hell and we need all the help we can get.My friends think I am nuts.One told me only 144,000 people get to go to heaven I don’t believe that for one minute. There are many good people out here that deserve to go with God also.God has many faces and many worlds and I know there will be more.Look believe what you want to believe but please start working at peace not with evil thoughts.They will come and when they do hopefully I am right that peace is what they want.Like I said hope the good ones come first cause I am sure there are bad ones out there also.just like here.We need to live in peace and it all starts at home teach love and kindness for your fellow person(man and women)Do not be weak be strong even if it takes believing in something you don’t believe in it will keep you strong.Anyway God bless you and keep you safe.
I don’t adhere to religion as i feel it holds back our spiritual growth..Many doctrines are in place that prevent many people in religions to really touch the source..Religion appears to control too many people which makes me question many aspects of it..Religions create conflict which is as far away from the source as you can get..I hope we will all advance enough to realize that the universal mind(creator) encompasses everything in our universe…
It won’t change my religion or how I believe in my God. God created the heavens and the earth. Even the pope says if et’s are real then he welcomes them as they will be our brothers and sisters. Could we be so naive to believe we are the only life to exist?
What religion??!!
And come to think of it what aliens!!!
For all of you that believe in god, read the book ‘the god delusion’
And don’t be so pathetic to call me close-minded, as I don’t close my mind by thinking everything is attributed to a god. Show me some real proof that god exists which can stand up to scientific scrutiny before claiming it as factual. You see, the scientific community doesn’t have to prove god doesn’t exist, it is you religious people that first have to prove that it exists before any further intelligent conversation can progress betweeen those 2 kinds of people. It’s the equivalent of me claiming a giant pink flying elephant exists on the moon, and me then saying it must be true because I know it’s true and you cannot disprove it. It’s all pure madness people, and religion is the maddest human creation that has ever graced this planet. Start using critical thinking, and get rid of this nonsensical leaps of faith.
Just to make one point clear, that is thinking the answer to everything is that god created it without showing real proof of this, is the most closed-mindedness that any human being could ever become
I don’t know about others but I’ve found that I cannot personalize or limit the Eternal Power. If this Deity could create the universe, I’m pretty sure that populating it would pose no problem.
For **** sake humans are just another ape, nothing special, just one step in evolution. I’m sure there’s much more evolved species elsewhere in the universe, hopefully fully progessed beyond needing to believe in a god
Who cares if some people lose their religion? Everything else in the modern world has that effect on some people. Religions will either adapt in some way to aliens or they’ll die and new ones will replace them that can deal with a new reality.
I do know that some denominations teach that we are the only intelligent beings that God is dealing with. To those the idea of aliens would adversely affect their faith. The Bible however supports the idea of beings elsewhere. See Matthew 24:31 where the Second Coming is described with Jesus sending His angels to gather His elect from the four winds and the end of the heavens. Heavens is defined as “universe” and translated that way in some versions including the Amplified Bible.
Since I found that I am an abductee and have had direct contact with living aliens my faith has grown not diminished. I believe that they are fallen beings just as man is and they are not to be trusted. Their actions toward the people that they abduct make this clear.
@ The Flying Fisherman
In response to your bible babble, go see a psychiatrist, and then a doctor to sort out your sleep paralysis episodes.
you have to remember the era when most religion was created – about 500BC-500AD. People needed to have an organized believe system at that time. Buddhism, Christianity and Islam all came about during this time period. Mankind is more advanced these days, we are more based in science and less in superstition (with the exception of fisherman and some others). It is possible, as Ray said that prior religious fiction (or near fiction) is holding mankind back spiritually. Think how many brutal acts of war and inhumanity were the result of one religious philosophy against another. This is not to say that I don’t believe in God, but there’s a possiblity that he maybe something less traditional than the figure we’ve been accustomed to in religious doctrine. I think that a good part of religious doctrine comes from folk tales.
For those of you who haven’t read it… I recomend an excellent book..’THE GODS OF EDEN’ by William Bramley.. Extremely thought provoking…
It wouldnt change my beliefs in God or Jesus but would just mean that other things were created by him as well. God is still the creator of all things.
And marlio you are the talker of most garbage, until you can prove your claims
We must agree we are all part of the Universe and what lies beyond our imagination. Our Creator/God therefore is within us all even John.
What Billy is sounding us out for is the psychological impact when the unknown presents itself. Commonly is the anger and amusement which is brought about by fear and not understanding. I have had encounters and believe me you feel different towards the world but you still carry on with your life. The only thing that I still do not understand is why what people are seeing is so diverse. Thats the mystery for me.
I don’t believe in organized religion. So discolsure would not effect my beliefs at all.
It may probably change, since we are at the end of times.. But for me it somewhat rocked my belief and it’s because of what happened to me. Yes, I was abducted when I was 3-5 years old, I was so young then, I barely can’t remember any of it.. But as this time approaches, images of what had happened to me became more and more clearer than ever before by dreaming about it.. I don’t know who to talk to but even though things from my past had been dug up, I still believe in God as the supreme being that created everything in the first place..
Why does it matter what your beliefs are as any disclosure or non-disclosure reveals the truth and what is reality. What’s the point of beliefs if it will upset you if they’re ever proven wrong? It’s about time people just accept what we know as reality so far and stop with this make-believe nonsense ing god, and if aliens exist then that would be reality, and there’s no running away from that. Same if the aliens could prove to us that god exists, then fine if our scientists fine the results conclusive then that would also be fine. Don’t be scared of what reality is and forget your fairy-tales
Tricky subject there… I think there are a lot of things to think about. I’ve seen a lot of christian based comments saying ETs are demons or fallen angles etc. In the Disclosure Project there’s a guy who said the government had cataloged 57 different species of alien. I find it hard to believe that every extra terrestrial in the universe is a demon or bent on destroying god. If one looks at the biblical prophecies for answers I can see where some species of alien would fit into the “evil” descriptions while others may not. I think it’s too wide an issue to think about in stark contrasts of “black & white.” If there’s anything I’ve learned in life it’s that there really isn’t much in the universe that’s black and white.
I was raised a Catholic and throughout my life of 23 years have referenced both the Qur’an (after 9/11 to better understand Middle Eastern religion) Old Testament and New Testament, philosphy books, and sociology books in an attempt to reach personal enlightenment, or perhaps to ground myself for a future in politics, or government. Personally I have always believed that the greatest argument for the existence for God/Aliens has been the overwhelming desire for Him/Them to exist. To this day I still believe in the existence of benevolence, and I have personal beliefs grounded in the elimination of vengeance, and pursuit of group progress. I have always looked for proof of God, and proof of ‘them’. As an observer it is unfair to make an assessment because those who believe in God have made “leaps of faith” in pursuit of Salvation, Enlightenment, Social Structure, or simple Traditional Values, or explaining an unexplainable experience whereas those who believe in ‘them’ have either had an encounter or have done (hopefully) a great deal of thorough research. No experience of my own has every convinced me of either claim, however I reitarate the difference in mindset one chooses to be in before actually coming to a belief in one or the other, i. e. denial of the other side. I now make the following partisan statement, on aforementioned premises. In researching the truth to either sides claim, history favors the origins of extra terrestrial claim. I cite such pre-christian religions as the Sumerians (humanities first great civilization), some North American Indian cultures, and certain South American Cultures. Religions themselves have a proven record of disagreeing. To quote the late Carlin.. “More men have died in the name of God then for any other reason.” This quasi-fact is enlightening in and of itself. If Humankind is so in pursuit of self betterment, is it really important which road we individually take to get there, or are we all not pursuing the same great philosophy. Consider, Understand, Respect, Love, and Provide. Whether you are waiting for the Greys to save us or Jesus, or whomever your messiah might be, He, or they, all ask of us to do one thing, as competent individuals – “Manifest Peace Via Generosity” Our personal self interest is the common Evil all philosophies and religions warn against, and God is ALWAYS external. Beliefs in ones self gain is always frowned upon and belief in the better of the whole is always promoted.
Live and let Live. Peace be with you. Shalom.
LIGHTEN UP JOHN !
are you on this site to put down others who do not believe as you or are you interested in UFO’s and their impact on us?
@ Motherpann
You say to lighten up, I’m just pointing out facts, and I could tell you to live in the real world and not some fantasy land.
I think people too readily believe in aliens visiting earth when they see unexplainable lights in the sky, when they are just that – unexplainable, and so a ufo. That does not necessarily mean alien. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if aliens are visiting earth, it’s just that tin-foil hat people tend to damage the reputation of even people who just speculate on these things. And about god, don’t waste your time thinking you know all the answers. Just accept some things are unknown to us, and you may never know. The only way we’ll understand things about life is thru’ science and that takes decades of research. The reason why I say this is because if you’re all wrong about your beliefs, then it could harm you when parts of it are proven incorrect. Already most religions have crumbled at their base by the impact of scientific evidence, and those who still believe in things like creationism are vastly delusional. There is no way that the mountains and mountains of collected documented scientific evidence, which can be measured, repeated and undergo scientific scrutiny, and so deals with factual information, can be outdone by a book you call the bible which is just a collection of stories in a book with an no known author. If you claim it to be the word of god then prove god wrote it. You can’t as your only evidence is hear-say and not even anecdotal, whereas ufos are at least anecdotal evidence although not actual proof of aliens. Rigorous scientific experiments produce hard facts, and so can be taught in science classrooms. Religions produce nothing but beliefs and leaps of faith, and so cannot be represented as factual and so should be kept in religious lessons.
Using critical thinking is a major part of how you should perceive life and everything around you. This is just factual and not in any way part of a fantasy world which religions perceive things as.
For what science cannot answer right now, just wait and see what is reality, don’t try and make it up as you’re probably going to be wrong. That’s just as it is, and if you can’t see that then you’re living a delusion.
If you still think there’s a controversy between science and religion, well that’s just misinterpretation on your part. Both are absolute opposites, and those who claim the controversy such as human footprints around from when dinosaurs were around are claiming evidence exists which has alreay being de-bunked. Don’t listen to those people who talk garbage, listen to what scientists have to say, don’t read fanatical religious texts as more than fiction, and instead read science blogs, magazines, scientific news articles, and then you’ll understand how scientific rigour actually operates. Again it’s usually a misunderstanding of science when people assume it’s a belief system, and so the same as religion, but IT IS NOT, SCIENCE IS FACTUAL, and religion is MAKE-BELIEVE.
And the same about aliens, why do you need to believe that aliens created humans? If they did so what, you’re still the same person as you were before. Just wait and see whatever the truth is, it just is. You can’t run away from reality, and just deal with things as they happen and don’t try and find all the answers in one go, as that is completely impossible by our current means.
It’s beyond reason that anyone would want to assume something to be true that could actually be false. Of course speculation is fine, but to base your whole life around something which one day in some cases has, and in other cases probably will be proven to be incorrect, is absolute madness, and can be harmful to yourself and others. For example if you believed so strongly in god and only life on earth existed by your beliefs. Then it could and probably will cut you off from reality when aliens make contact, just for the sake of an example, as we don’t have confirmation of any aliens existing for now. That could cause psychological damage to the person, as they would deny reality as it stands basically. Maybe even certain types of Muslims would call a Jihad against them thinking they were the devil. Do you realise how stupid people can be, well they are going to be even more idiotic than your wildest imaginations. That is almost guaranteed if aliens ever make contact. All because of silly beliefs which hold them back from reality.
If you are offended then you’re wrong to be, as this is just reality. I am not being overly serious, I’m just saying things how they are. And for anyone to use religion to argue against science is offensive to anyone who prefers to live in the real world because SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION deals with facts, and religion is nothing more than an opinion and so without proof can be put down and should be put down. Note that scientific theories are speculation only for now at best and so different theories can be argued, but at no point changes the large base of scientific knowledge we have already accumulated. Although these theories are mostly based on previously collected evidence and are in all ways a better representation of reality than what any religions have put forth so far.
Please may I quote that in the Catholic church mass every week we all say together a prayer:
We believe in one God
the Father the Almighty
Maker of heaven and earth
of all that is, SEEN AND UNSEEN
This is of comfort to me and other experiencers no doubt.
@ shirley
And if that’s found out to be an incorrect statement in your lifetime, as you have no proof to back it up, therefore it probably will be as incorrect as me just making something up as well, then how would you feel?
I would hazard a guess that you would be angry at yourself and feel a little silly for wasting your time deluding yourself.
Do you not realise that your words are so vague, and typical of what people described things from the times when religions first started. Even much after then, people thought the earth was flat, thru’ incorrect human perception of reality. Most things stated back then have been proven not to be accurate, and if you used critical thinking you would realise that religions are exactly the same.
Why don’t you read up on science, there’s plenty of wonderous things which we know as fact which you can get excited about, and take comfort in. For example, that we’re all part of an evolutionary trip which will take our descendants to higher forms of life, as those which adapt better to environments pass their genes onto off-spring. Just imagining how humans will be in a million years is astounding enough, and looking at how far humans have come, without worrying about questions such as why, just concentrate on those answerable one’s such as how and when. And making up answers does not really answer those questions that you so wish to know. Another point is that people from Africa did migrate to Europe, and over time their skin changed to lighter colours to cope with lower temperatures. Note that darker skinned people don’t get sun-burnt as easily, as they’re adapted to their environment. And people in Scotland are adapted to colder climates, and so tend to be paler. That’s a great example of natural selection and how evolution works. You people always say there’s no evidence for evolution, but there’s evidence of it everywhere. It’s creationism that has no hard facts, instead that’s based on a belief system alone.
All humans are the fifth ape, that’s not a belief, that’s a fact, and you should learn to live with it.
John
As I stated before, my fiance who is now 69 yrs old saw many UFO’s in Illinois when he was an older teen or in his early 20’s. He and several friends watched US military jets chase these “UFO’s” away from the power plant. one night several citizens watched a “UFO” that stayed in the area for hours.
Also when he was hunting in the woods he saw a creature that was red skinned with pulsating veins, slotted eyes and very tall. And the next day he went back to the location where he saw this creature to see if he could find any evidence and he found his shot gun shell casings tore apart in a pile, including the brass part. Also he stood under the tree where the alien had been and he relized that the tree branch that had touched it’s head was about 8 feet off the ground.
My fiance is not a drinker, never did drugs, lived on a farm, didn’t read comic books or watch tv so there was no outside influence to help him have an overactive imagination.
I too get tired of people claiming they know it all, religion or science wise. Personally I need proof to believe in anything. I have experienced things when I was active in church that I can’t even begin to explain, but I also have way too many questions to accept the answer that so may religious persons use which is “God works in mysterious ways”. I have formulated my own opinion regarding aliens and ufos and how it figures with religion and frankly I don’t care what others think, I feel confortable with my beliefs and unless someone can come up with tanigable proof otherwise, keep your ideas to yourself. As far as quoting the bible or any other book of religion, a person has to believe in the book before they can accept it’s directives.
After flying in the USAF for over 22 years, I’ve seen some pretty unexplainable stuff flying around…no…I’ve never been really religious or anything like that….do I believe there are “Higher Beings”?…yes…but is it a spirit type of entity? I am not so convinced…but for some reason something from my childhood sunday school classes popped into my head the other day…If you look in the book of Genesis, there are 2 lines I’d like to direst your attention to…
Ch.1, Verse 26: “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion….”
If God was an all knowing spirit and HE created man…then why does it say in that verse “Let US make man….after OUR likeness…” The bible talkes like there are more than one being making mankind…
Ch.1 Verse 28: “And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea…”
In the above verse, how can you REPLENISH something that has never had any life on it to begin with?
Just food for thought…
Thoughts from the rest of you???
@ Motherpann
you said “I feel confortable with my beliefs and unless someone can come up with tanigable proof otherwise, keep your ideas to yourself.”
Then why do you feel the need to try and convince others of something you cannot prove. It’s human nature to speculate on things and to imagine aliens and other kinds of life forms, it’s perfectly normal. It’s just when people decide to call it fact, when actually we just don’t know is the only answer we have. There are all kinds of other reasons besides god, spirits, ghosts, aliens, bigfoot, and those are the mind playing tricks on you and psychological reasons which are both documented well. Sleep paralysis effects has been induced in people and life-like hallucinations occur. I’m not saying that answers everything, but as of yet these are provable, and there hasn’t been any provable cases of aliens, god, bigfoot and stuff like that. I’m not saying that those things are impossible, it’s just that we haven’t got credible proof of them yet. I’ve seen unexplainable things myself but you have to remember your mind fills in a lot of the blanks, and it is only unexplainable and not evidence of anything until we can prove what it is. That is all I am saying.
Also you are saying I have to prove evidence otherwise for things you cannot prove. Please that is silly. If I said a flying tortoise exists, and until you could disprove it’s existence, therefore it must exist. That’s the same nonsense as I could then tell you keep looking for it. You have to accept that science can only accept the existence of objects which can be observed, measured, repeated and then documented. If these things exists then one day the evidence will be there, so there’s no need to be bothered about what people think. Whatever the truth is, it is, simple as that, and you can’t really disagree with someone who works on those principles, otherwise you’re talking about fantasy.
I would not be surprised if aliens have been visiting earth, and what I’ve seen is what you could call a typical ufo sighting, which was unexplainable. But I don’t think it’s helpful for me to decide what’s right and wrong before I can confirm what the truth is, that’s if we ever do.
With western economic breakdown, and tensions with Russia, Iran and Pakistan, and maybe even N. Korea around the corner, now would be a good time for any possible observing aliens to make them known to us. We could be seeing conflict with Iran this month, or hopefully if aliens show themselves this won’t be necessary. But who knows, that’s the point, it’s just speculation and I can’t tell someone not to disagree because none of us can prove it’s going to happen.
Jesus has a plan for us all. You’ll see.
Who is this jesus fellow that you are imagining from a fairytale?
And Ike Turner, even if there was a plan for humans, how would you know this? And please be honest and accept that you are just guessing or following what other people have just blindly believed in. Therefore even if god and jesus did exist then you’d still be stupid to think they existed until proof was found, and at the moment you’re just guessing. So now tell me how using critical thinking logically how you can come to the conclusion that you have, and then you will be taken more seriously by people who use their brains.
Another point is the Nostradamus advert at the bottom on this webpage that talks about the coming world war. I’ve noticed the years for this to start have changed from 2006, then 2008 and now 2009. I suppose it will change to 2010 next year. Why do you host such adverts that are obviously nonsense, and even UK newspaper websites have this garbage on. It’s ridiculous. You lose entire credibility. And not to mention that promoting the very idea of a war could help start one. The very idea of predicting something which is possibly inevitable such as a flood and maybe even a war, which will eventually happen, and without a fixed date for this prediction, is bogus.
John
I never said I wanted YOU to prove your ideals to me, I said I was comfortable with MY beliefs and unless proven otherwise I will not change. BUT at least I am willing to listen with an open mind regarding other ideas. And not be so quick to judge them as crack pots living in a fantasy world or a druggie.
I also don’t care if you believe what my fiance told me, he has no reason to lie, and nothing to gain by making up such a story. Remember this happened 50 years ago before seeing ufos was fashionable, Before the internet and Star Trek on TV.
I am so sick of people using the excuse of sleep paralysis to explain away things, come on can’t you find another excuse, that one is getting old.
Funny I didn’t realize a person hunting in the woods could experience sleep paralysis when they are awake, walking. Drug free, non drinker as well. Oh I know maybe it was swamp gas clouding his mind, no wait, there are no swamps in Illinois forrests.
Speaking of silly, I have seen a tortoise fly, just after the dump truck hit him, it wasn’t a pretty sight. (sorry poor taste)
You strike me as someone who likes to argue just for the need to argue, I bet if a UFO landed on your front lawn and bigfoot, Jesus and little green men came knocking on the door you would explain it away to sleep paralysis, swamp gas, hallucinations from eating flying tortoise soup, and any other lame excuse just for agruement sake.
SORRY Billy didn’t mean to be so nasty I guess John brings out the best (or is that beast)in me LOL
@ Motherpann
you said “I never said I wanted YOU to prove your ideals to me, I said I was comfortable with MY beliefs and unless proven otherwise I will not change.”
Wrong, as you are trying to persuade me you’re right when you have no proof. And secondly you still don’t understand that it is not the job of someone to disprove your beliefs, it is the responsibility of you to prove them. Otherwise you have no basis on which to tell me what I’ve said is wrong.
I didn’t say things like sleep paralysis explained everything, I would be more surprised if it did. But that doesn’t mean you have evidence for anything other than an event was unknown, and possibly unexplainable. That’s the only real conclusion, unless you’re gonna’ list a whole load of super-natural things and psychological effects and then add at the bottom of the list – leave room for appendages, and assume list is possibly infinite. That’s why we say conclusion is unknown.
Whether or not someone believe what you or your husband is irrelevant, as you can’t prove anything, so that makes it only a story for us to read. You are using false logic if you think the conclusion can only be something like bigfoot or aliens etc.
you said “BUT at least I am willing to listen with an open mind regarding other ideas. And not be so quick to judge them as crack pots living in a fantasy world or a druggie.”
OK let me get this straight, I am open to any idea which can be proven, and all others are speculation or only a belief. And it is up to those making the claim to prove it. I never called you a crackpot or druggie. When I call something fantasy, it is meant as something that you accept as fact which cannot yet be proven. You have to admit even if you believe in god, that at least some of the religions are going to be partially wrong, and so we know for sure that some are living a fantasy. I have nothing against anyone who admits their beliefs aren’t anything but speculation or a guess, and so may be wrong.
you said “You strike me as someone who likes to argue just for the need to argue, I bet if a UFO landed on your front lawn and bigfoot, Jesus and little green men came knocking on the door you would explain it away to sleep paralysis, swamp gas, hallucinations from eating flying tortoise soup, and any other lame excuse just for agruement sake.”
Right some fun here I suppose. OK, I’m not replying here for the sake of arguing, it’s just I feel it necessary to point out false logic on your part. Even so if a UFO had visited you, because ET is not the only possible explanation for what happened, and so if you thought logically you wouldn’t assume it was definitly aliens until they got out of their craft and told you so. And even then it’s still only a story to everyone else unless you can provide me with physical evidence of their craft or the beings. Other possibilities like human psychology comes into play, and how do you know that the being you saw was telling the truth. So many variables, and so few answers.
If I knocked on your door and claimed I was Jesus, would you gullibly believe me, or anyone who did that? There are so many un-explored areas of our planet, it’s more likely than not that certain species still have to be discovered. But you still don’t understand that stories of what somebody saw on their front lawn does not equate to finding actual evidence of a creature’s existence. Now actually I have seen a UFO, and I can’t explain what it was, but that does not mean the only answer is aliens. If a UFO landed on my lawn, it would still only be an “unidentified flying object or landing object”. UFO doesn’t automatically equate to aliens. Now if they came out of their craft and spoke with me in depth that proved almost beyond doubt, that would be extremely difficult to not equate to personal proof of their existence. But you still have to understand that without proof to show someone else, of an item maybe that could only be from an ET ship, that you would only have a story to tell someone. And try as you might, you can’t convince someone who uses critical thinking that you definitely saw an ET craft and its occupants. That does not mean they’re not open to the possibility, it’s just that they’re not willing to accept that as the only conclusion.
you said “SORRY Billy didn’t mean to be so nasty I guess John brings out the best (or is that beast)in me LOL ”
Don’t be sorry, that’s unless you don’t mean what you’ve said, and so that would be different. It’s not abnormal for believers to get angry when their beliefs are questionned, as they know that’s all it is – a belief, which is unproven. And failure to come up with any appropriate points to validate their belief is commonplace.
Anyway I hope the tortoise landed in one piece, albeit probably on it back to be later squashed by a truck.
Let me start by saying that I completely understand where the both of you are coming from, however, the tone of your argument does no justice to the theme you have subscribed to. Your points, however well made, are littered with aggresive objections to the other side, I feel like I’m watching Obama/McCain. If you truly want to change minds you MUST have respect for your oppositions point of view.
Aggression indicates hostility, and no one is going to take advice from a hostile entity.
Regarding Science: History and Science are incredibly useful tools, which have done great things to advance our species. Great advances in technology have given us the ability to find cures for medicine and communicate globally. But Science is also responsible for the greatest propoganda machine of all time – Television. It has also given men the power to destroy entire cities with a single weapon, and to manufacture and distribute harmful viruses.
Regarding Religion: Spirituality has served all of mankind for longer than anyone can document. The need for answers is shared by all and religion, via faith, facilitates and end to that desire. Religion has brought thousands together who share a belief in the inherent goodness of mankind. It has taught us lessons that we tend to ignore in the history books. And it gives us strength, and hope, when all signs point to disaster.
Religion is also responsible for harboring the worst of mankinds tendencies. Wars, centuries of Hate, Sexual Deviance, Brainwashing, and Mass Suicide.
My point is this: Religion and Science are both tools. Every tool is a double-edged sword. The intent of the use of the tool you choose is either Good or Bad, not the tool itself. People have assembled in every imaginable faction to proclaim their possession of ‘truth’ throughout human history. Some have arrived at enlightenment, some used their power to manipulate minds, and every tool known to man, religion and science included, has been used to facilitate both of these means.
Where does that leave an individual?
Every one of us must respect different approaches, even if we don’t understand them.
John, Thank You for being a man of science, and defending its just use. I hope that your arguments are coming from a place of frustration, rather than disdain. As far as religion goes, If Jesus existed or not really doesn’t matter. His story is one of a persecuted man who brought hope and comfort to those without the means to find answers. Any person who is willing to die for a belief is someone whose story I am willing to defend. Without stories like his, why would any group of people unite against tyranny to uphold a belief, especially when all of the greatest minds in the world say it can’t be done. Where would America be in a world like that?
Motherspann: Your beliefs make you a person of great perseverance. Your message of hope is necessary in our hideous world. I only hope that your beliefs do not derive their strength from your desire for them to be true, nor your fear of eternal punishment, nor you need for eternal salvation. These are tools of manipulation that many philosophies use, not just religion. There are elements of the Bible that are absolutely not the Word of God, a thorough review of religious history will reveal a blatant plagarization of other cultures religious beliefs. There is also a very strong (sorry to say) ASTROLOGICAL presence in the stories of the Bible. Specifically, in terms of the Ages of the Zodiac, the timing of the Old, and New Testaments, and the descriptions of the major characters, and visions at the turn of the ages. Even Jesus’s birth has an Astrological reference to the position of Sirius (the North Star) and the Three Kings of Orions Belt pointing to the birth of the Son(the sun rises in alignment with these 4 heavenly bodies) on December 25th. Unfortunately, we can credit science for these mathematical facts. There are things that cannot be explained, and there are Miracles. But an absolute dedication to the truth of one Document that condradicts even other Documents that claim to come from the same source (the Word of God) is destined to be in dispute forever, or until one idea defeats another, and unfortuately the only way to prove a God doesn’t exist is to kill all of the people who believe in Him/Her. It may very well be that we are all pursuing the same diety, but by different paths, and I find that to be more comforting (and consistent with known history) than the absolute obsession with being the only one who “has it right”. When two people of different religious faiths debate, they often forget that they are both working toward the same end – peaceful, bountiful existence. The method is different however, and we tend to fight over the details.
Whether we build our house out of stone, earth, or wood, are we not attempting to achieve the same goal? Your tools are different, yes. But in the end, the result is the same. And no bricklayer will ever convice a lumberjack that he cannot build a house out of wood, nor vice versa. Instead, respect and appreciate the beauty of our different approaches, and have faith not only in your tool, but your neighbors.
“Every one of us must respect different approaches, even if we don’t understand them.”
Christianity and most other religions and especially the fundamental ones have been proven incorrect, without having to prove the non-existence of a god. Are we also to show respect for someone who claims 5+5=25 because they believe it to be so?!
Here’s a few pointers :
1. Earth has been proven to be around 4.5 billion years – fact.
2. Christianity claims 6000 years or so.
3. Earth took millions of years or more for evolution – fact.
4. Christianity claims it took 6-7 days.
5. There is no controversy about creationism and evolution. Evolution is fact, creationism is false.
6. Science does not claim non-existence of god, in fact it has nothing to do with science, as we don’t ever see any evidence of a god using rigorous scientific principles.
7. Feasibly anyone can believe whatever you want as long as it doesn’t contradict scientific facts, but beware science may someday prove those beliefs incorrect.
8. So therefore the logic step is to label those beliefs as speculative.
Talking of crazy stuff, it’s 15 degrees C at 2am in the UK where I am. And tomorrow afternoon weather report says 8 degrees C. I’m not an expert in this field, but this is absolutely insane!
First of all I was raised a Christian but didn’t like the false love my fellow church goers displayed and quit. 30 Years later I became a BA Christian and all my beliefs about UFO’s, ghosts and the supernatural were yanked away from me because there was no place for such “nonsense” as a BAC. I was slain in the spirit several times, I prayed in tongues, had instant healing and dealt with demons but still I questioned the whole religious realm and 25 years later I have changed my tune regarding the whole business.
I have seen pictures that were painted hundreds of years ago (if u can believe it) where Spaceships and Jesus, Mary and such were all in the same picture. I read passages in the bible that can only be explained, to me, in a scientific manner vrs a spiritual manner, as more alien, space ships and planet terriforming. So as far as my beliefs let’s say it is neither totally one or the other, I feel there is a more logical explaination then the story of creation.
Clinging on to religion is good for others because it is a good way to justify what is happening in their life. It’s a good way to control people especially women and children.
“God works in mysterious ways”, “the devil made me do it”, “God will provide” “My house blew away, my car destroyed, everything was taken away but praise God, cuz he looked after me” HUH?
Seems more like it is easier to do nothing and or accept what has happen in your life and explain it away with one of the above sayings.
Now if all of the sudden aliens and their spacecraft came along, what hope would people have? Would it would destroy their belief in God, heaven and such? Or would their “faith” see them thru? Would they all run to church and pray for God to protect them or would they fight if the aliens started attacking?
What if they came in peace would they just say God made them too and accept it as just another chapter in their life? I don’t know!
I realize that my fiance’s story can’t be proven and it never will unless a 8 ft tall red being shows up and say I was in Illinois in the 1950’s, remember me? (lol) But the ufo’s were seen by many town’s people as well as the military jet pilots who chased them away.
John sorry about your weather in UK it’s in the 80’s here in Florida!
And sorry to say the tortoise did not make it, it was very messy and I really have to say that I was quite upset to see the whole thing happen. I do love animals and I get angry that man is so busy building on every inch of land that he can find (greed) and in doing so destroying theland these animals, turtles etc live on/in. But that’s another story for a different blog site.
In my long 56 years on this planet, I have seen much, learned much, form opinions, changed my mind and fought to keep my beliefs intact. I know I will not ever convince all in what I believe but I do know there are many who do and I have been meeting them at a very surprising rate. Maybe like minded persons are finding each other to prepare for the upcoming events, I don’t know and I guess the answers will have to wait until I/we can see it, touch it, taste it and prove it to the non believers.
But until then it’s great fodder for debate!
With the weather thing, it’s twice as warm during the night than during the next day. That’s what I thought was odd.
Good and Evil R just human being concept, yeah there r good and evil (mankind concept) for reasons one of it (mankind is an intelligent being) no way to live with each others without good and evil, each one will kill the others without good,,,,,or,,,, and without Evil there is no meaning to Good,,,,, no meaning to white if we didn’t know black,
human beings needs religion because they live in bizarre world so they need something to take it as a core of this life to feel safer, but I’m sorry to say there is something intelligent know these facts and exploit mankind (semi-humans “nomads”)from long time (time too is just mankind concept there is mechanisim to feel and recognize time but its not exist), almost things we heard about miracles behind it other intelligent beings “entities”, yeah there r telepathy, parapsychology, supernatural,,,, but what we can’t make scientific explain to it, we’ve to be more aware of it, proving the existence of other intelligent entities is very easy (definitive proof).
-intelligence is essential for human survive, this is nature (science itself), its a kind of creative powre,
a real humankind is coming no more semi-humans.
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allot of things in human aspect is very low,, like the concept of begin and end (limits) of this universe, when U’ve the ability of speed above the speed of light we’ll change the concept of limits, yeah the relativity theory and quantum mechanics laws, I know that quantum mechanic is behind part of our progress nowadays but it will not work in future “like Newton’s laws in the outer space”, even the future generation will not take us as a real humans “mentally”, Is speed of light the highest speed? there r more strong laws above speed of light, (how order came from disorder, law without law, in big bang theory!), this part needs long message the perception of human being depends on his ability, capabilities, (facilities)… but if he has ability for more speed his way of thinking will change and his look to the universe will be change I know relativity theory (life not easy at all)…… I read a lot of theories some of them about evolution, punctuated equilibrium,,, its nonsense whose wrote it has low level of thinking, sometimes shame on intelligence of mankind,,,, what we can’t understand doesn’t mean has no scientific rules.
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Faith is a belief in the trustworthiness of an idea that one has not been proven formally and cannot prove formally its “Dogma”, means don’t use ur brain just beleive in, so when you became inside Religion Cage, you can use ur mind because you’re already inside the cage.
the absurdity is (I want to ask you do U think that God has low level of thinking to make many religions! or he wants mankind to kill each others, or he cannot keep one religion for all mankind or or he wants to test semi-humans!!!, even they don’t understand themselves nowaday, just imagine Mankind in the past!!! so U think they’re more intelligent!!!, somekind of intelligence, used Mankind low level of thinking to get their goals, I’ve plain proofs, every thing in this universe is govern by science.
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Mr. Bonehead always weak, that’s why he looking for God to feel safer “his mind not up to face this bizarre world, to find reasonable explaination”, do you think that God will test semi-human like them, this is nonsense the concept of good and evil is just mankind concept, every body should know, we did nothing in science, even we didn’t open the gate of science yet, to make a real Artificial Intelligence we’ve to know what’s perception unit, cognition, even our concept about perception, cognition,,, isn’t accurate, whats exist now a days is not Intelligence at all.
MY BEST REGARDS.
@ mouron
you said “a real humankind is coming no more semi-humans.”
Please explain your dithering. I know I’m a human, are you one of those semi-humans?
SCIENCE AND CREATION IS A DOUBLE SIDED COIN…
evolution of the human race isn’t bacterial soup to humanity,,,,there was intervention…this caused our relegions in the first place…as for science it needs to stop being so arrogant..just open your minds and you will find the truth…
@ I’veadenough
How dare you call Science arrogant. You misunderstand science and you are completely ignorant. Religion is the most arrogant piece of garbage ever! You lot claim you know everything, science does not!
You can argue against sound scientific fact all day long, but you would be wrong. These facts have been determined from sound research with actual evidence, and religions like christianity contradicts some of these facts. Just because you think something correct, it doesn’t make it so. There’s something called evidence, which religions do not have.
Again I say that Science doesn’t claim to know everything, and does not go about disproving things like god because firstly you have to prove it’s existence before anyone has to disprove it.
You claim you are more open minded but in actual fact you are closing your mind to god being the only answer. Where science has an open mind to any potential answer, but science doesn’t claim mystical answers like you do! And saying we don’t know the answers to some things is being honest, and not deluding yourself like your are.
You people keep coming out of the woodwork, get yourself educated and read some science books. Forget your fairytale bible, and read about evolution. Oh no I forgot, you’re too closed-minded to care about anything apart from your false god.
And last of all like all religions you’re a complete hypocrite. You are using a device called a computer, which is the product of scientific advancement, and you are also putting down these achievements at the same time.
Note I never claimed god didn’t exist all the way thru’ this, but ask for evidence of something’s existence before accepting that it exists. And why would a god be so stupid as to give me the ability and intellect if he wanted me to worship him like a robot.
Oh and if there is a ******* god, then I would not want to go to heaven if idiots like you are there. LOL
@ i’veadenough
Right some quick-fire answers to your points, since you can’t spell or write proper sentences this might be easier for you to understand.
you said “evolution of the human race isn’t bacterial soup to humanity”
Correct it’s not. Evolution is much more than that. Read up on natural selection to prove that you’re so open-minded.
you said “there was intervention”
Maybe so, maybe not, that’s the point we just don’t know. Go and prove it, as if it’s a fact you should be able to. That’s what science does all day, and doesn’t attempt to quell reality like you do. At the minute without the evidence you can’t blame science for saying that’s it’s unlikely, that’s just how logic works. Try it sometime.
you said “this caused our relegions in the first place”
Which one’s?! Since they contradict each other they can’t all be right. Your logic seems to be ignore everything apart from your narrow-minded views.
you said “as for science it needs to stop being so arrogant”
Science has never been arrogant, and I can’t say it’s impossible for a scientist out of many to be arrogant, as everyone has their own mind. But to accuse the whole of science, that works hard every day making our lives better and expanding our great knowledge base, is poor judgement.
you said “just open your minds and you will find the truth… ”
What does that even mean!? Extremist christian views are almost as pathetic as extremist muslim views. Remember whatever the truth is you can’t change it to fit your own views, and science is striving towards further and further truths every day. Or should we just teach our kids at school that god did everything for us, and when someone needs to fix the heating, plumbing or electicals they should just wait for a miracle instead!
I know my mind is open to whatever the truth is. I doubt your’s will be, you would bend the truth to fit your medieval viewpoint.
Many examples of religions doing that are the following :
a). People once believed the Earth was flat and the centre of the universe and thinking otherwise was blasphemy. Now nobody can now dispute that the Earth is roughly spherical, or more exact an oblate spheroid.
b). People still believe the Earth is 6000 years old. The Earth is around 4.5 billion years old, if you dispute this check the evidence, understand what it means and then provide evidence for the contrary.
c). People still believe that the Earth was created in 6 or 7 days or thereabouts. Evidence suggests the formation was on the scale of millions of years, and greater.
d). People still believe life was created by god in a really short time… it’s funny how creationists don’t actually claim how long it took for god to do this. Evolutionary evidence proves life evolved over millions of years from generation to generation by natural selection.
e). If aliens ever make contact religions will adapt their views to interpet new changes in what we know. Do you actually think god comes down and tells us adjustments to your beliefs are necessary to fit in with your new reality, no, your religious leaders change the rules. For example, the Muslim leaders have updated their religious texts about holy wars and using artillery, guns and stuff (wierd I know), and the pope has now claimed it is ok for life on other planets to exist. Duh, like it didn’t already exist without him allowing it. And religions now calling evolution god’s work or something silly like that.
Now just a point about the common misinterpretation about evolution that you guy’s tend to do. Firstly when you say ‘how can man be from apes’ this is incorrect even as an arugumentative point. That’s because what science said is that man and gorillas, chimpanzees etc have the same ancestors from millions of years ago, and they branched out in different directions when they adapted to their own environment. We are product of one line of evolution, and gorillas, chimps went down their own line of evolution. Since we all have the same ancestors from way back we are all classified as apes. The current setup is by no means the final solution of evolution, and in fact it’s quite likely that some humans will have evolved down a further line of the tree into another kind of species. Intelligence is just another part of evolution, and eventually human descendants may lose this ability, and other creatures’ descendants may gain this ability.
For your information I have degrees in geology and astronomy…I do not adhere to relegions as frankly they don’t interest me.
In the circles I was studying in,there was a lot of arrogannce concerned with many new ideas..Some professors seem afraid of change..I am totally aware of evolution/natural selection and Lucy being the ancestor of primates…but there is a lot more to the story..I won’t lay it all out for you you need to do your own homework…Science/technology is wonderful just don’t take everything you’ve been taught for granted…There are going to be some surprizes up the road…Please….try not to be so angry..Regards..
Hi Bill,
first thanks for the regular postings. Regarding religion and aliens it is impossible for us to be the only planet with any form of life and who is to say that alien beings do not have similar religion’s to ours! Too many legends of old point towards the stars and life on distant planets, even Jesus said “in my Fathers house there are many mansions” and I take that as a reference to life on other planets.
Take care
I would really like to know why everyone is so fascinated with Mars having ruins… Considering we made it into space in the late sixties using tin cans (by technology standards of today), why are we not looking at our Moon and other moons of our solar system for signs of exoarcheology?
I asked a Catholic priest this very question because I am Catholic. The Catholic church believes that we are not alone in this vast universe. How could we be?
Our religion would not change.
Is there a god?
You are able to read about that on http://www.netsaga.is and numerous stories, poems and articles. You are also able to listen to the great Icelandic music.
Re – Your Religion & Aliens.
It appears that lindagranados and John are on the right track.
But I guess that lets Ryan out. According to this latest release from World Press
International:
U.N INVESTIGATES SKY DEAL SO UFO IMMUNITY PUTS TO TEST SPURS ON SITGES TO AGREE
U.K.DEAL. ‘WIPEOUT’ HITS RELIGIOUS CONTAMINATION AND INTERFERENCE MOMENTARILY PRECIPITATING SUDDEN SURGE.
LOL Billy. This subject sure has brought the kooks out of the woodwork. If religion is true, it will stand the “alien test” too. If not, guess some of learned something there too.
is there a grand architect?
With the advent of interstellar-xenoism reaching the level of mass hysteria we see around us, combined with global fear-mongering and predictions of catastrophe it is small wonder some among us cling to archaic beliefs while others attempt to create dogma to justify “lights in the sky” et al.
The real tragedy lay not in our faith but in the unwavering belief in manmade religions designed on the principles of exclusion.
Jesus said “there are many rooms in my fathers mansion” not “there is limited vacancy in the ground floor apartments”
Our fear should not be rooted in some nebulous undefined possability…our fear should be anchored with our own limitations and inability to accept what we do not understand.
keep on searching.
To John,
You make the common mistake of thinking that all abductions take place in the bed room. In fact most take place else where. I can recall being abducted while fishing in a boat three times, while walking in a park and from my back yard while playing as a boy.
Before I was sure I had been abducted I did go to a doctor who had me get a brain scan to determine if I had some sort of epilipsy. It came back normal after which he had no idea of what to do.
For fun reading check out this link:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/outofnowhere.html
To Flying Fisherman,
I never said that at all, I just suggested other possibilities. I know many claim to have been abducted from their car driving, so they’re hardly going to be asleep. But you have to remember you’ve only got stories and anecdotal evidence. Even if your personal experience felt real to you and you believed it definitely was aliens, that doesn’t mean you should just believe all other abduction stories, not even all of those that are similar.
I don’t think alien abductions are impossible, it’s just that none have been verified yet, and so other possibilities have to be looked at including various mental conditions and even currently unknown mental conditions. You can never be certain that psychological reasons are less likely to be what an abductee experiences, especially when there’s so much we don’t know about the human brain.
Although the similarities are striking, and a few prominent researchers and professors have studied this, and come to the conclusion that aliens are involved. But they do admit frailties in the hypnotic regression technique, and so maybe their conclusion should be questionned.
What kind of aliens did you encounter in your experiences if you don’t mind me asking? I’ve heard that it’s what people call the greys and reptilians that are common perpertrators. Are those the most powerful species to visit us by your opinion? If not, why don’t other stop them, and what do you think about the possible October 14th visitors? Will they be more powerful and drive the grey critters away? One thing I haven’t heard anyone mention or ask Blossom Goodchild is which species are visiting, and what they look like. It’s funny how I haven’t seen anyone talk about that anywhere.
Like I asked on the other blog, what are devout Christians doing on a UFO site? When I became BA 20 yrs ago, I was told that there was no place in a Christian’s life for believing in aliens or ufos. They wanted their followers to disassociate themselves from such thoughts.
But here we are on a ufo site and Christians by the droves are spouting bible verses by the hundreds, so people, pick one, UFO’s and aliens or your religious beliefs.
Why must we pick one or the other? God has not revealed all to us, that much is clear. There is no contridiction in having Christian beliefs and believing that God is capable of creating other entities throughout the universe. He is God after all.
Mr. @ John
do you need more dithering! it could be shocking be careful.
I don’t like to insult anybody “semi-humans” at all, but I meant mentally not from humane aspect,
you can excuse me if you got this:
everybody wondering about the secret of soul, spirit,,, I don’t like to use these terms because the irrational characters of some humans connect it to religion I mean (SpiritReligion), but this is absolutely not true, spirit itself is science, to prove the existing of spirit isn’t that hard, that’s why we should change soul, spirit name.
lets go to the point:
the silly thing is human spirit “its one of the advanced coding systems in this universe” refuses it’s existing, its you (self-concept) you are using Ur perception unit right now to read this text, you’re seeing text inside Ur temporary memory “its part of Ur perception unit” , when you sleep, or coma, or disconnect for physiological reasons,,, you just disconnect perception unit, when you want to wake up you’ve to make new connection with Ur perception unit, you “self-concept” using Ur perception unit to recognize this inner and outer world, our spirit is repository of permanent memory and emotions, and responsible for the vital processes of our body like immune system,,,, the other silly thing is inside our spirit there are built in scientist of genetics, physics, maths,,,, our spirit works the fundamental of subatomic particles where the concept of time has differ meaning, we just rediscover it, I can’t talk in details this needs a book,
you talk about psychology, it’s not science at all, I don’t talk about Behavioral Psychology, it goes without saying, but the Basics of Psychology itself, (Mental life: conscious mind, unconscious mind,,, id, ego, superego,,,), these are reflects the absurdity of some people! Mankind even still doesn’t get it, themselves!
do you know the secret of some kind of supernatural, telepathy, clairvoyance, precognition, sixth sense,,, its Spirit+Time, we’ve to change our way of thinking, specially about Time concept,
I didn’t mention Black magic because its main source is the aliens intrusion, sorcerer, black magician are A means to an end like sheep you can’t say sheep are Ur slaves, they know nothing they are semi-humans, the problem is these aliens has the same fundamental mechanism of our spirit, her goal is human spirit itself (kind of absorption), these aliens know to much about mankind like our immune system, psychologically too,,,,
I think its useless you can’t get me, even we don’t understand the relation between speed and time, look to Mass-energy equivalence: e=mc^2 we accept the concept that any mass has an associated energy and vice versa em relation but we underestimate c^2 while its the main factor of mutual change of m and e, c^2 it’s about 9*10^18 m/s, at the same time they are saying light speed is the highst speed!, there are another rules above speed of light… I think there is something wrong.
if you want the first hint make search on the web for this issue “scientific miracles in Quran”, Quran is the religious book of Arab Muslim nomads of desert , its source not human nor from God, as I said the concept of good and evil is just mankind concept, intelligent entity behind it, I care about science and only science, there scientific hints inside nomads book, not exactly science but hints of science, almost of these scientific hints came to light later 50 yrs ago, science is my life something intelligent behind it’s not God concept,,, its long details, in spite of all these every thing is govern by science even these aliens, they are using it in sorcery “alien (predator) will work to hunt Muslims (the prey )” its kind of offering, whom behind Muslim’s book promising Muslims virgin Girls,,, and wine “their alleged paradise”, there is something intelligent knew the characters of desert’s nomads, hunting: the fundamental mechanism of the aliens power is the same of mankind, “what we can’t understand doesn’t mean has no scientific rules”, what some pseudo-scientists saying about order came from disorder, chaos,,,,,, we’ve to change our concept about time, that time we can change our concept about chaos, random, disorder,,, concepts.
the problem is even we can’t understand ourselves: mankind still can’t differ intelligence from malice “archness”, malice is the irrational animals characters, you can’t blame irrational animal but we’ve to blame mankind, because he should be intelligent being! we can’t blame hyena for malice “this is its only way” but for mankind this is not acceptable, even they don’t understand that our humanity is our superiority. do you want example of human malice OK:
there is something abnormal about US policy, presidential candidates, why they should pay their homage to their new God “Jewish lobby”, how did they got their power? there is something abnormal, not only US but some europian countries too why talking about anti-Semitic, Holocaust, is a sin, human history is full of tragedies, don’t they see the Palestine tragedy Jews killing Palestine Muslims daily, they’re look like slaves.
they are talking about policy, do you know what’s policy of now a days, to be a real politician you’ve to have these characters:
1- cynic, be a snappish dog.
2- be a big liar, deceive others.
3- don’t respect people easy to deceive “deception
system” don’t blame them really stupid people doesn’t deserve respect.
4- Ur personal interest first.
its very advanced civilization, democracy!
this is the answer of Ur question: Please explain your dithering. I know I’m a human, are you one of those semi-humans?
by the way I just start I’ve to talk more about great human Civilization!.
Absolutely correct in the assertion that there are other rules..We are capable of sending projectiles into space and with the aid of math configure landing sites etc..But there are universal laws that we haven’t even come close to understanding..In answer to Johns question..As i understand it,the aliens supposedly communicating with Blossom Goodchild are from ‘The confederation of light’. a mixture of many entities on a higher spiritual and obviously technological level..Well we will see..
@ David.B
god has revealed **** all if he exists, that much is clear. There is contradiction between christian nonsense beliefs and what we can call fact from years of scientific work, and a few words from the bible does not outweigh all the evidence we have gained from science. If there are other entities throughout the universe they’re probably evolved beyond needing to believe in a god. You are a muppet sir after all.
Do you see how I’ve took your phrases and changed them to a more factual based statements.
@ Mouron
I’m not sure if my last post has gone past moderation, but I’m sure by that alone you get the gist. You are a moron! Barbaric Islam will not prevail, or something along those lines. Anyway fun life, try and move away from Islam and veils and stuff and you will see life is much better without it.
Gosh Billie, they’re back, in spite of the carefully selected messages
from World Press International. I thought that last message would
help to settle the controversy. No such luck, I guess. Anyway, here’s
the latest from the same source, as it relates to the persistent argument:
UFO HORROR HUB BRANCHES OUT TO AX 20% OF
ROTHMANA IN PRIME POSITION. NASA WATCHDOGS WARN WEBBER TO DIRECT GORMITI THROUGH NEW CHALLENGES AS GROUP CONCERNED OVER IMPENDING ECLIASTIC INCREASES, ACCELERATES, AND PREPARES INTERSPACE CONSTELLATION REVERSALS
TO TAP UNIDENTIFIED BOTTLENECKS.
I sure hope this helps settle things. (I must admit however, that the posters are presenting some pretty convincing arguments).
For me the answer to this question is no – my religious beliefs would not change. I do not believe that to have faith in God means that I can’t possibly believe in the existence of life from other worlds. “There are more things in Heaven or Earth………..” right?
If the appearance of aliens makes you lose
your religion, you don’t have much of a
religion.
Hehe, that’s the point – religons don’t have much of a standing firm base to them. Anything like aliens landing causes them all to crumble.
What a lot of yobbos that dont believe in other life forms.I am a big believer of UFOs and the beings that are all around us.Just who is our creator? I personaly think us humans will find that out very soon.I think the time is right and that we will discover what religion really is
Evolution is fact, not so as it hasnt been proven only a theory .
that science says takes millions of years to prove heh
@ corwin155
Hmm not so good joke, always the same from people like you.
Actually evolution is a scientific fact, and to say otherwise is ignorant. That’s the one difference between science and religion. Science is fact, religion is belief.
If someone has told you evolution is a theory, I wonder what other rubbish this person has fed you. I suppose I’ll probably find out in your next response. Anyway it’s crazy how those kind of people still use the same arguments which have been proven false years ago.
THERE IS NO EVOLUTION VS CREATIONISM CONTROVERSY except in the brains of those who ignore all the evidence.
And evolution doesn’t rule out a god, but it does contradict religions and therefore proves them all to be incorrect. Intelligent design is nothing more than a concept in your mind, and there’s no examples with appropriate evidence to back it up that viewpoint. For everything you may think was intelligently designed their is always a case for arguing the various flaws which counters that quite well.
Has there been any credible papers written on creationism, without using bad logic, incorrect maths or just made up concepts? No, and the major factor which causes the whole idea to shred to pieces when examined by someone educated, is that there’s not a single piece of evidence to back up any of your wild claims.
Now check out papers on evolution and you’ll see the stark differences. The evidences presented are overwhelming.
I want you all to know that I am a very open minded person and things that have happened to me sometimes have know explantion. But, it is just the synchronistic events that happen to me at just the right time to cause me to go a little deeper into a subject of this kind. A few weeks before falling onto to this information about a month ago my friend said she saw a Ufo hovering over her in massachusetts while at her freinds house in Norton. Her friend started crying and could not grasp it and to this day denies it ever happened. My two daughters who are very intuitive both had dreams a week later about ufos landing on Earth. My youngest one has been deathly afraid of aliens since she was 2 and I have no idea why. Then I came across while on the internet about Blossom Goodchild channeling. This then made me go search about other wordly beings and came across other channelers who have channeled in the same info and they say that these beings of light and dark are very interested in this planet at this time due to the mayan calender ending in 2012. We are all under an illusion about how our government is always out for our best intrest when in fact these leaders are actually not. There is a reason for all of the bankruptcy and stock market crashing and there are no answers or exact data for why things are happening for most people because no one will even dare to go beyond what the news and the newspapers say to uncover what has been going on for thousands of years. We are all energy, thoughts are things, just as something falls into a pond and sends out ripples of waves to the shore wich will inturn change the surface of the earth, we as humans can create enough energy that can cause disturbances by way of thought form and with enough negativity can cause harm to the earth. Everything in the Universe is connected that means me, you, trees, birds, rocks, you name it, we all create the whole. I am not a shaman, I have been only reading about these things for a few years, I was totally oblivious also back then. But, when you have things being shown to you by way of channeling, wich can mean reading and it hits a cord enough to retain it, watching a movie that actually seems like your life and it was a message for you to wake up, writing and realizing after you have no idea how you came up with something you do not even uderstand yourself normally. Seeing signs repeatedly until you acknowledge it. The list goes on and on. All I know is this is a real thing. I would not even doubt that something like this could happen. We would be pretty niave to believe we are the only beings in the universe. People need to open their eyes and see beyond what they have been conditioned to beleive since they were babies. Kathy
Yep there seems to be some kind of shift taking place..I’m so happy to see all the interest that is being triggered by the subject of where do we stand in the universe.. Many people are begining to wake up. We have been closed minded for too long.Do not focus on the troubles of the world,they are a deliberate distraction to keep us from the truth..There is a good possibility we are now heading towards a new paradigm..Remember the law of attraction, poitive thoughts bring positive reactions..
All of you have a part to play….
I think U R a little Skeptical, my name is Mouran not Mouron, Mr. Thinker, you said (Barbaric Islam will not prevail, or something along those lines. Anyway fun life, try and move away from Islam and veils and stuff and you will see life is much better without it) first of all I don’t care about Religions, its the main cause of wars now adays,,,, 2′d no need to use Barbaric words, be sure you are not up to it, due to ur level of thinking, be sure ur actual God is Science which indwelling in this nature so have more respect to science its the only actual fact, you’ve to read more and more “exact science”, its pointless, if you can’t get the above mentioned its useless, I shared ur site because I thought U R up to it.
BYE………
heh either way dont matter to me
i believe in a deity as well as science
finding out there are aliens wouldnt change my mind either way
since science is proving there can be a GOD (or god like beings)
besides for science to say there is no god isnt very scientific , since science neither proves nor disproves the possibility of a Deity
geesshh john stop being a troll lol , peace john add too the blog dont tear down ppl and their beliefs
All thinkers unite…Wer’e all in the same boat……
john
if you neither believe nor disbelieve in ufo’s why are you on a blog where ppl have those beliefs ?
reading thru your posts it just seams to me that your here just to be a Hate monger to any post that dont fit into very small scientific world .
i believe science will prove that theres more to life then can or cant be proven by very small limited scientific set of rules
I agree, science will one day solve all the questions we have about ufos, aliens, god and whatever else.
I don’t think putting all your eggs in one basket by believing in something you’re only conditioning yourself to a state of denial when the truth is discovered.
Therefore my opinion is don’t put too much faith in basic beliefs, and if possible keep wild outlandish thoughts to speculation.
I don’t believe in ufos, because I already know they exist. I’ve seen one, but that doesn’t mean it’s definitely alien.
And you’re right science doesn’t say god doesn’t exist, but also there’s no proof of one. But christianity is incorrect as the age of the earth for a start is way off, and nobody can argue against that with any credibility. And so christian beliefs are all either unproven or proven incorrect, so of course science can say organised religions are bogus.
“Hate monger to any post that dont fit into very small scientific world .”
Try learning some science and you’ll realise we know much more than you realised. Are we to discard that all just because someone “believes” differently?! Usually religious people don’t realise how complex most of the science is, and if they do, they usually chose to ignore it in favour of a made up reality, or they may not understand the science. And religions are all assumed to be made up, until proven otherwise.
“i believe science will prove that theres more to life then can or cant be proven by very small limited scientific set of rules ”
Yes so do I. In the future our current scientific knowledge will probably seem limited. But what you don’t realise what we already know is fascinating to keep anyone going for a lifetime. Even in a godless reality we are still all on a wonderous journey, and it’s good to dream of what we might know one day. But it’s not good to close your mind to god.
Of course they are here an have been for ever, as far as I am concerned.All the Governments know.Relion is the biggest farce on Earth. We should all believe what is in out hearts not what we are told to believe..Religion has caused every war on the planet.
@ John,
I have read the God delusion and I wrote an a simple small Email to Richard Dawkins about very personal questions why he wrote such a book. Sincere questions and genuine one’s. He has never written me back. Ofcourse you are now going to tout that you are not surprised since you are also in the other UFO and Aliens forum blog. I just have moved here since I stumbled about someone on the other blog regarding some matters. It really clears up to me how you lot are intertwined since I am new to forums, because normally I don’t do such discussions.
What I see here is the same arguing and discord I see on the other blogs and yet still you are blaming me for the cause in the other blog. Are you for real ?
Oh well, I guess you moderators about a topic can just throw things at others whenever you feel what is suitable without feeling any guilt whatsoever. Which makes it more easily to understand who now really the culprit is out there.
@ Barbara,
You said: Religion is the cause of every war.
Prove it ! Because your remarks are totally and completely inaccurate.
Probably because Richard Dawkins is sick of receiving threatening emails telling him to go to hell etc. I’ve watched his documentaries, and you can’t tell me the fundamentalists behave in any way appropriate towards this person. And maybe you just don’t provide Dawkins with any kind of real argumentative points, as you have failed to do so here.
Religious differences are what cause hate. I don’t know about all wars, maybe not WW1, but WW2 when the Nazi’s blamed the Jews for their problems. And now it seems the Muslims are becoming victimised. Although extremist muslims did kick it off. And Muslims want to destroy the Jews. Oh yes, you’re right, this religion stuff is sooo peaceful!
@ John,
I never wrote any questions about hell to Richard Dawkins, nor did I to you. Stop being so paranoid about it. If other christians haunt you with it that’s their problem. Whenever I wrote it it was as a saying that people said. You really have a problem of interpreting what another person actually say to you. Read things slower and ask yourself, what does that person really mean by this or that. Reflect, Contemplate and Converse with yourself if there is not something you can get out of it for yourself.
@ John
You are incorrect !
Just for example WWII was caused:The culmination of events that led to World War II are generally understood to be the 1939 invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and of the Republic of China by the Empire of Japan.
No Jews were the source of that.
WWI
Again you are wrong.
The origins of World War I included many factors, including the conflicts and antagonisms of the four decades leading up to the war. The immediate origins of the war lay in the decisions taken by statesmen and generals during the July crisis of 1914, the spark (or casus belli) for which was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria by Gavrilo Princip, an irredentist Serb.
No Jews were involved.
Get off your religious hate-monger chair and get the facts right.
KJ1 if that’s still KJ, yes you did say I would go to hell twice actually. To me that’s the same as a threat.
And you’re talking about the actual battles for WW2. Long before 1939 Jews were persecutued in Germany, which led to Nazi attitudes. Anti-jew sentiments were spread throughout Germany by Hitler. This was the culmination that led to WW2. When Poland wouldn’t give Germany a small part of their land in 1939, Germany invaded, and since France and Britain had a pact with Poland they had to declare war on Germany. In 1938 Germany invade Austria and Sudenteland district of Czechslovakia. Appeasement of those invasions also contributed to 1939 events.
Do you really think a war just breaks out overnight, these things take years to culminate. Maybe the war on terror could lead to WW3.
I actually said that WW1 wasn’t started by religions, so you should read what I write and listen to your own advice. I don’t have a great deal of knowledge about WW1, but I wouldn’t be surprised if religion did play a part.
Are you going to stop your ego trip kj or are you going to keep embarrassing yourself?
Why do you change your name to kj1? Please don’t tell me there’s many clones of you?
China was invaded by Japan in 1937, but this was unrelated to Nazi aggression. Only later did these two become connected by common allies. Back in the early 20th century the other side of the planet seemd so far away, nowdays globalisation thru’ the electronic age has brought everyone closer together. Any skirmish would likely now cause a greater war almost immediately.
China was invaded in 1931, without declaration of war, when Japan unilaterally annexed Manchuria, i.e. northern China. They then continued with the annexation of the large province of Jehol in 1934. In 1937, Japan launched a full scale invasion into the remaining China.
There’s a quote of what actually happened, and things started way back in Asia. Scary how far back the causes of disasters go. Imagine how in future our children or grandchildren may be learning about how 9/11 was the real starting point of a major war.
@ John
“Religious differences are what cause hate. I don’t know about all wars, maybe not WW1, but WW2 when the Nazi’s blamed the Jews for their problems. And now it seems the Muslims are becoming victimised. Although extremist muslims did kick it off. And Muslims want to destroy the Jews. Oh yes, you’re right, this religion stuff is sooo peaceful!”
Where was the religion in WWI and WWII ? That was your instigation. They were the cause of it according to your findings.
Here for the sake you want to be such a scholar, do your advantage and learn:
http://www.warscholar.com/Timeline.html
Show me in there that EVERY war was the cause of Religion. It’s not. This is the same for Barbara who thinks that every war is the cause of Religion.
Maybe I have been cloned by imaginary “Aliens” in case I am killed down the road of angry men and women who can’t discuss without violence brewing in their mind. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
And again, no John, nobody said here you are going to hell, you are perfectly capable doing that singlehandedly by yourself without me saying that to you. God loves you and wants you to choose to be with Him.
@ John,
You John, only you John wants to punch someone in the face, for the sake of an opinion and lifestyle which everyone has a right to ? Now who is the war monger here ?
JOHN;
yOU ARE ONE SICK PUPPY, YOUR MAIN FEAR IS THAT THERE IS A GOD AND YOU CAN’T REACH OUT AND TOUCH HIM TO EASE YOUR NEEDS. (ME THINKS YOU PROTEST TOO MUCH)
KJ1, No not every war is caused by religion, agreed on that.
WW2 was caused by Jews being blamed by the Nazi’s problems at home. I’ve watched many in length documentaries on this and so I’m correct. Yes there also other factors, but hated caused by religious differences and lifestyles were a major factor, and that’s undeniable. Can someone please do the honour of researching this, and putting their views forwards providing they check out the facts first. Thank you anyone!
KJ1, you alone here have stated I will go to hell, not that you will send me there. That’s what I would call threatening behaviour.
No it’s not your opinions that annoy others, it’s the way you threaten people into believing the same as you, and then also claiming you and only you can be right on here. That’s what would make any sensible person wish to smack you one in real life. That’s not war mongering, it’s just how humans react to pathetic insults when someone persists.
OK William, whatever?! I don’t care if there is a god. It changes nothing for me, I live a good life and can adjust to any form of accepted reality just fine. I don’t need to be told what to accept as truth. I think you use caps too much, and aren’t you protesting to my opinion? After all I’m not saying who’s right, I’m only saying you could be wrong! That’s not protesting, it’s being rational, and you wouldn’t know anything about accepting that you could be wrong could you, and that’s being irrational towards others.
To John
I was abducted by greys. I recorded several abductions on a GPS. One shows my boat flying over a railroad embankment and back. At that same lake, Carlyle Lake in Illinois, when they pushed me and my boat out of the UFO it scraped the floor of the ramp and picked up some material. I sent this to MUFON but it disintegrated into small pieces and could not be analyzed. Before hypnosis I suggested to my self that I would see only the truth what ever it was. Considering that I hoped to find something other than alien abduction I had no motive to imagine aliens. The therapist, Craig Lang, was also careful to suggest only things like, “You will see clearly” and what do you see now?”
Again for some fun and other interesting details see: http://www.ufocasebook.com/outofnowhere.html
Quotes John: “KJ1, you alone here have stated I will go to hell, not that you will send me there. That’s what I would call threatening behaviour.”
John, Going to hell in a basket is an expression.
http://www.thejoneses.com/hell.htm
And you don’t believe in God, so how can you believe in a Hell. this does not make sense. Nor does it compute.
Get over it.
kj, telling someone that they will go to hell is threatening someone, as you’re implying they are going to die. Yes everyone dies, but if you went to someone in the street and said “you will die”. That could be seen a direct threat to their life, and they would have every right to report it. It’s not as bad to say that on a forum, but it’s still desginated as a threat. Saying “you are going to hell” and “going to hell” is not the same, and the first one is directed towards an individual or group, and so implies death. I can’t say whether hell does or doesn’t exist, so beliefs are irrelevant. If I called you a space monkey from Mars, would that not be insulting because you didn’t believe they existed, or any similar phrase.
Your catch phrases at the end of comments do nothing to gain popularity or support, and only prove you’re weak minded, as you have to try and boost your weak message with them.
Hi the flying fisherman, I don’t know if that message is intended for a reply to anything recent, but I do think your experiences are possible, so you don’t have to try and prove anything to me, which may be impossible to completely prove anyway. Although you have to understand that unless you can provide some evidence, then that’s only a story. But yes I do have an open mind about et contacts, as I’ve seen unusual ufos, so I can’t discount anything completely on this subject. But at the same time I have to be sceptical and that means I can’t believe everyone’s story.
John, in the case if you call me a space monkey from Mars, I would just smile, because I know you don’t know any better with that under developed mind of yours. So not to worry, eh ?
And you are trying to corner me again, it ain’t working, why don’t you just say, Sorry KJ, I should next time be choosing better wording instead of suggesting to “smack someone in the face”. That shall teach you. Now drop it. Man, do you ever give up on something that you said ? I feel sorry for your girlfriend and family members that she and them are not tired of your reverse psychology. Are you always so complicated ?
@ John,
No it does not. That is what you make of it. Lots of other people think otherwise.
Here:http://seekingalpha.com/article/96402-going-to-hell-in-a-handbasket-the-rush-to-protect-more-stocks
Who is dying there ? Nobody.
lindagranados, you really need to get some help.
You say something for the sake of trying to get the last word, but whatever you say next can be because I won’t be back. Enjoy your sad life kj
Hi everyone, well I’m a firm believer in religion, now what I believe is the sticker….I believe that there is a higher power, is that higher power the collective conscious of all of our souls, maybe…is it a collective power of all our souls, matter, and energy, well maybe even closer. One thing for sure, no one, and I mean no one on Earth has any idea what’s the next step. I watched a interview with “a grey alien”, he talked more about religion than anything else, they believe that their souls move from one “vessel” to another “vessel”, our bodies being the so called “vessel’s”. They are very religious and have a great faith in the unknown. I feel the same, the unknown is great and a wonderful mystery I will enjoy exploring, its kinda like the Universe, how can there not be a God, or a higher power, when there is so much out there…it would be the same as saying we got this big Universe but we’re the only life in it, nah’, that just ain’t so, and the same goes for having a God or a higher power, there just ain’t no way that it doesn’t exist with all that does exist. I think we should all kick back and enjoy the ride!!
Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams: his view that aspects of Islamic law could be incorporated into British legal systems made him Under fire! why Archbishop say such things!
do you know why? he know that what’s applies to this is taking place to that.
Templeton Prize-winner to prove God exists !!!?
boneheads think that hardening their Boneheads will make stronghold “Fortified castle” for Religion but their boneheads already Broken, so their children will take a look throu these cracks, they’ll discover facts themselves, withen next handred year Religions will disappear, only our Humanity and science could protect Mankind, where to Boneheads?
Old Man became suddenly smart! trying to understand it at the most fundamental level! he still doesn’t recognize the concept of time doesn’t Exist, his way of thinking will not Qualifies him, where from he brought this idea? where he was from 66 years ago? I wrote it in 1995 “Exact Science”, he used the same words the same expressions, the same order of words, its more than 30 expressions about the same main idea. I do not think it is a coincidence!
science for all mankind but at least he should know the meaning of what he wrote.
Science in crisis, science is suffering, String theory, theory of every thing,,, they can deceive simple people by maths about their silly ideas but this could make stumbling block for science, to have the opportunity to study what they call it advanced maths doesn’t mean they has the ability for reasonable think, they could make maths equations for a stool, but future generation will know that they’re just foolish wearing math’s cloak, any body can learn Maths but this will not make him able to has a reasonable thinking, they could be good to give lectures at college in stead of their ribaldry.
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we need Faith to feel safer,
Faith is a belief in the trustworthiness of an idea that one has not been proven formally and cannot prove formally
I want to ask you do u think God has low level of thinking to make many religions! or he wants mankind to kill each others, or he cannot keep one religion for all mankind or or he wants to examine mankind’s half mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
semi-humans want to live like irrational animals….
THERE IS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT ALL MANKIND SHOULD KNOW THERE ARE OTHER INTELLIGENT ENTITIES LIVING AMONG MANKIND THESE ALIENS
ARE BEHIND ALMOST RELIGIONS,”FORGET TIME ITS JUST HUMAN CONCEPT” WE’VE TO PROTECT FUTURE GENERATIONS ITS OUR RESPONSIBILITY
ELSE WE DON’T DESERVE THEIR RESPECT, AND THEY WILL BE LIKE WHOM LIVING NOW ADAYS.
PROVING OTHER INTELLIGENT ENTITY IS VERY EASY, READ NEXT CAREFULLY FOR FUTURE GENERATION:
behind black magic is alien entity, she using semi-humans you call them black magicians, sorcerer, they are not slaves because
you can’t say your sheep is your slaves, they are helpless, they are just dirty stupid semi-humans,
they are just A means to an end, when you ask them about their extraordinary doings they will
say its from God or energy!!!!!!!!
how black magic work? as I said before what semi-humans call it self-concept “you and I” built your body
its one of the most advanced coding system in this universe “Energy state”, so
alien could use sheep or work alone:
they could take your hair, nails, blood, sweat,,, then alien to work on the purpose is make humane energy weak “human energy protect his body”
to be ready for invasion, she makes telecommunication with human spirit, they killed a lot of mankind, its main goal is absorb human soul energy, because it has the same energy of mankind
but there are some differences like perception unit is part of that alien not like human,
the concept of good and evil is just mankind concept………..the problem is these aliens
know to much about mankind like immune system psychologically, how human body work,,,
I think its useless, I don’t care about you semi-humans I care about protecting future generations
I’ve to make sure that real humans are coming, we should be the masters of this universe
mankind is the fittest to survive, the problem we still don’t know how to use our brain, we built a weak science,,
I think its useless you’re not humans your level of thinking is very bad…
ostrich is not a solution because the problem already exist, there is a solution we’ve to tackle it,
but I’m looking for a real human beings,,,
we’re in the same boat, our humanity and science, our concept about time, energy,,,,, is very weak.
these aliens behind Religions she is very Danger, I’m looking for a real human beings
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what an impassioned speech, a trait of sarcasm!, out of bounds!, any real human has mind can get it, you will carry my message to future generations, what ever you do, you’ll never get rid of it ever, I know you can’t understand this.
its not a matter of sleazy emotions, its a matter of securing the future of future generations,
do you know why mankind doesn’t like to talk about such issues, its built-in psychologically now, that aliens used this character for their purpose, ask urself why you don’t like to talk about such things? even thou you know its very danger matter, oblivious to the risk!, or he borders on the ridiculous, do you know whats ridiculous: human spirit “we’ve to find another word because this word for semi-humans Symbolizes Religion” itself denies the existence of human spirit its you “self-concept” its a kind of energy built ur Body. its disgusting matter! we’ve to study it why? its really worthy of consideration.
its a matter of prey and predator, they’re helpless they’re mean to an end, that aliens is very intelligent and powerful, but sorcerer are just stupid semi-humans “the problem aliens have the ability to reprogramming their spirits, (make change) “, its just a kind of offering, “Black-magic is really exist proving this is very easy too” what you heard about paranormal in the past during what you called them messengers period, or others behind it the aliens, every thing is governed by science, that aliens using science nothing else, every thing in this world is ruled by science, the main idea of it is the relation between mass and energy, make search you can see that speed-time is the main factor, the problem is we still don’t know the meaning of time, that alien play at that point. there is something you’ll not believe: that aliens using religions as a gate to intrude or invade human body then its energy, how? these aliens during telecommunication give signs to the victim (prey) that aliens are behind his religion of course this will take human energy down,,,,,
about abnormal Same-Sex Marriage and the Rights of Citizenship! these matter is very danger because humans psychological characters could transfer from human to others “private zone”, the best way is intimacy specially “sexual relationships” its long story and very complicated, so be aware this could be like wild fire, and destruct future generations, it’s against human nature…..
Nature has its Laws, and mankind has the ability to protect himself by science but away from Religions.
by the way future generations will know all about history, so no need to fake it, who trying to build history has a sick imagination, its useless they’ll have the ability to know the past.
I know what I’ve wrote is useless now but you’ll transfer it, what ever you do.
anyway they’ll know the exquisite details themselves.
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John
Mate, your wasting your time and talent in this forum. Join Atheistnation.net and mingle with like minded intelligent people.
If there are beings in another world, it would not effect me at all, who are we to think that God just created us, for he did created the heavens and the earth.
cheers bonobo you’re a like-minded intelligent individual
i believe in god and jesus. but i am very open minded. i don’t by any means think we are the only ones out there. that would mean that i have an ego to big for my head lol. there are trillions of planets and galaxies out there. i also believe in evolution, not the evolution that we came from apes, but the evolution that we adapt. but i think it possable that we could have came from apes. i also believe it possable of the big bang, but not in such a belief that it gets rid of god. i think god made it possable… the big bang that is. what scares me the most are close minded people who say that one thing is this and thats all it can be and if you don’t believe it that way then you are ousted from society. becuase there is alot of that going on. i believe aliens could be what they call in the bible angels. and let me ask this? did aliens come and give us religion? and why were 9 books taken from the bible? and why is it that almost every president in history was a freemason but two…. which were assasinated? i like to stay open minded on it all.
Firstly evolution is not a belief, it’s based on collection of evidence to support what was once a theory, and is now accepted fact. Secondly you’re right man did not come from apes, because all apes including man have common ancestors which evolved down different pathways of evolution depending on their environment, migration and survival of the fittest by natural selection.
Don’t worry, you have a common misunderstanding of this.
It’s the same where you say people try and get rid of god by saying the big bang started the universe. Well in fact, no real scientist tries to disprove anything like god, they just say “there’s no evidence of a god’s existence”. Real scientists don’t discount anything, but they will argue against claims that religious people know of a god’s existence, because of the lack of evidence to support their claims. As you can see that’s two different things. In science it’s not about disproving something where there’s no evidence for it in the first place, science is about finding proof of what we can observe or see the effects of. And to say that our existence is the evidence of a god is just an opinion, and cannot be validated. All our existence proves, is that we exist!
Where you mention that closed-minded people try to oust others from society. That’s how religions tend to work, not science. Science is open-minded to whatever can be proved using a sound scientific basis, or at least a theory with a basis on accepted knowledge. That’s not closed-minded, it’s being a critical-thinker. To close one’s mind to god is surely the most closed-minded a person could be. Scientists are the last kind of people to deny the truth, and if any such god or alien came down for a visit and was well documented with evidence then they would be the first one’s to be interested and explain what was going on. On the contrary, most religious people would try and fit any aliens into their narrow interpretation of the world, scared that the truth could destroy all their beliefs, and possibly leading to a denial of what was going on. Somewhere along the lines of calling aliens the devil would be what I would expect some to be saying. Anyway I think you get the gist.
Although of course there’s nothing wrong with having a faith based existence if anyone wishes, but you have to remember not to be too disappointed if you’re proven incorrect. As has been done with some of christianity’s beliefs about the age of the earth, evolution and how long humans have existed on the earth amongst many others. Yet people still prefer to live in ignorance.
But remember whatever you choose to believe in, for your own sake, don’t believe in contradictions with science such as those above, otherwise it’s guaranteed to end with upsets. But since just believing in a god with more flexible alternatives about life than mainstream religions allow, or alien life does not really contradict science. So nobody can really tell you not to believe in either of those. And in fact you will find many scientists do have personal beliefs in those things, but generally will not force those beliefs on anyone, as it only leads to pointless disagreements and even hated. All completely unnecessary where all it is is an opinion at the end of the day.
2.1 Billion Christians, which makes up 33% of the entire population of the world, but John has the guts to tell single handedly they are all wrong.
Sheesh man, ur cuckoo ! Does it ever come through your mind spiderwebs, that you could be wrong totally and completely ? Or do you believe that all your reason is backed up with great and awesome scientific proofs and logic ?
You know what that means, John, you are a robot, preprogrammed, because without the knowledge you have from books and scientific write-downs you don’t know anything.
I think you live more in ignorance then most people, I have ever met. You still can’t add the sixth sense which is Faith to your lifestyle, so with other words you are incomplete and shut down from every ability from the intervention of the supernatural, which does exist and is provable which you and many keep denying it does not influence your life.
You know I am still talking to you once and a while. I have wondered if I still should. But I have seen you in other blogs over here insulting me with downright limited and unwholesome words and you are even proud of yourself of what you express towards me. Think again next time before you start letting yourself go.
You clearly have no control over your spirit. There is no need to use F words towards people. You are harboring things about me inside yourself, which will result in a root of bitterness, pain and unforgiveness and that can easily destroy you and even others around you. Another person like that is Motherpann.
I advice you to let certain things go and release it. Because the weight of the person you are upset with will be sitting on top of you. I have explained to you and let me repeat this again: The person that upsets you the most is your best teacher, because he/she will bring you face to face of who you really are.
Cya
OK kj you’re saying 1.2 billion (22%) of the world’s population is wrong by believing in christianity. And those people are Muslims.
At least I have a logic to making the assertion I did earlier, whereas it’s only a belief.
And then the troll named kj goes on to insult everyone as usual. And he still doesn’t realise the only source of resentment anyone on here has is caused by him alone, and nothing to do with any god, belief and in fact many people are quite happy with their lives and don’t need telling how to live it by an idiot with a bad attitude towards all intelligent life. So F*** off kj the troll.
“At least I have a logic to making the assertion I did earlier, whereas it’s only a belief. ”
actually meant -
“At least I have a logic to making the assertion I did earlier, whereas your’s is only a belief.”
And a further point is that quantity is not the same as quality. Many people can be wrong, numbers are irrelevant. For example around 50% of people believe in aliens, but that does not make all of it real.
And when I hear these christians speak I don’t even hear one intelligent person speak, so I could equally say 1 in 3 people are stupid, i.e. the 33% of the world’s population who believe in christianity
@ John,
It seems to me that you are losing your screws here and there and some synapses have been short-circuiting the last couple of posts I have seen you writing and not only to me, but to others as well. I would perceive from an “intelligent” person you proclaim to be better constructed sentences with “intelligent” content and design.
John, I really have to look far and deep if I see any “intelligence” in your debating skills online. You behave like one angry Tasmanian Devil that is tripped over his own tail. How did that come about ? It certainly is not me, because you display that similar behavior pattern to other online forum members as well. Maybe it is ingrained or perhaps you can’t help yourself ? At least you are not showing that you can control yourself.
“At least I have a logic to making the assertion I did earlier, whereas your’s is only a belief.”
John, as I have told you before, I don’t do beliefs. I live by Faith, whole different matter, whole different angle of lifestyle. I do that for many, many years now. WIth it I have pretty much achieved above excellency and incredible results in my own life and that of others. For example, instant healing of an ailment. Or supernatural provision and breakthroughs which cannot be explained by the natural mind. There are even situations like speed increased promotions and favors. Simply said, doors that open exact in time when needed. And so I can mention many other things that have overcome me and others who believe in the Supernatural ways of God.
If you would ask me, do you believe in the supernatural, then I can say wholeheartedly yes. I know what the supernatural is and I know it is not what you can or want to perceive or acquire. Your senses are shut off from it, clearly. I am not sure yet whether willingly or be default.
If you have never experienced or tried out the Supernatural then you can’t make any conclusion that “all” christians are not “intelligent”. It’s just not logical, John. That is only in your head and people who want to think like that and with that the buck just stops. It could be for yourself and some others who think knowledge is power, but not for those who experience the Supernatural on a daily basis as in a lifestyle someone exerts. People who believe in the Supernatural are not looking for power within themselves to control their environment as I see you constantly exerting.
I have challenged you to find out what the supernatural is all about, but you systematically have run it down the alley of your ever so spouting stick horse science riding thought expressions. They mean not much to me, because I don’t need such knowledge, supernatural knowledge is more important here. A source that is beyond your perception and capabilities to control within.
@ John,
You said:
“OK kj you’re saying 1.2 billion (22%) of the world’s population is wrong by believing in christianity. And those people are Muslims.”
I am aware about the 1.2 billion Muslims you are mentioning. I wanted to mention them too as people who believe in a god as supremacy and directing their lifestyle.
That would make 2.1 + 1.2 billion who believe in the supernatural intervention and “appeasement” of a God, ie god.
Add together this means 3,3 Billion people who see this as their guidance in a personal life experience.
If you have the pre-occupation in your mind they are not “intelligent” then I would say why don’t you just go and find some people in both religions and see if they are as dumb as you might say.
You can start to discuss this with Professor David Goldney who is a committed Christian and a practicing Scientist and see if he really is a dumb as you say they are coming. Until you have proven the opposite I have to take your assumptions and instigations with a grain of salt.
Thank you,
@ John,
Ummm, if you are constantly reply to my post with the Modus Tollens attitude you should ask yourself what you do to you mind in such a way. If you just exercise Modus Tollens a little more and deeper here online and anywhere you might find that you can’t even believe your own thoughts anymore as valid. I begin to understand in the case of you, this is already in a increased situation taking place inside of you. I predict, there is a big chance you will end up somewhere in a padded cell and medication to control such thought processes.
OK I would say to Professor Goldney, “where did you god come from? Can you explain in any detail about it from your own personal experiences, can you prove any of this?”
He will say “uuuh no”.
Many christians I’ve spoken to are extreme fundamentalists and don’t accept any form of intelligent conversation unless you agree with them, which I don’t. So I wouldn’t call them anything more than sheeple at best, looking for answers in the wrong place.
Modus tollens is just philosophical jargon, i.e. utter nonsense, just like your religious beliefs. It funny how no-one else uses those principles, maybe they’re just way too basic for all other subject areas, which require much more complex procedures of analysis.
It funny how the delusional thinks his predictions are any more than a joke.
And kj, shut the f**k up.
I believe it can be very dangerous to say things as if they are fact. It seems that times change, languages are formed, and things get lost in translation. I believe in a creator, and there have been many times where I’ve presumed to know what such a creator would be, but I now think it is dangerous to push personal belief on to others. Belief is a powerful thing, I think. When I think about all that I perceive as harmful, and about the expression many of us use when we say we don’t believe in something, as if our belief makes it fact, -like when we say things such as “I dont believe in the word hate” as if that word, through our own disbelief, may somehow not exist anymore…these thoughts seems to indicate to me that things may become true when we believe them to be. I somehow believe that we may all have discovered the power belief can have over us, maybe even without knowing we’ve done it. How does something become powerful unless we give it power, through either fear or devotion? How could we ever be sure we are correct if we are told two different things constantly. How could we know good is not really evil or evil is not really good? I believe we could only know that each must make the other possible, that somehow maybe one needs to exist in order for the other to exist, not in an oppressive way but it a real way maybe. It seems though, that the only way one of us could succeed is if we could all succeed, if we could accept all creatures and not deny their existence, even if we do not agree with them. This is what I believe, but I do not know. I don’t know this, but it feels true because it is what I’ve always believed, and I try to listen to that voice inside me that seems at times to know the answer when my head and my heart seem to say different things. If you say that a god is perfect, you would have to trust that your idea of perfection is perfect, or risk the danger of worshipping something you did not mean to worship. Some may take a book like the bible and give it power to rule over their lives, and not realize how harmful that may be if we can not be sure it has not been tampered with, but this is only how it seems to me. I do not judge the people who do believe the bible, but I do feel frightened at the knowledge of how that could affect society as a whole. If we take anything as law then could we not become slaves to anything, even tyranny where tyranny is not good? And then I think that absolute power corrupts absolutely, or has in the past, which is all I have known. I believe that in order to know a higher power, you must learn what that means. Maybe we should learn the consequences of something, or else risk being at the mercy of what you disagree with the most. I do not know. I do believe in a higher power, and I do believe in a creator, and I do believe that one or both or either or all would want me to be successful by making my own decision with the information I’ve been given. I don’t know, but I believe this. And I believe that by talking about, typing, writing, or perceiving anything, that we may believe it and therefore give it power. For example, Hitler glorified an idea that I am careful to know of and be aware of so that I might guard myself against it, but I do not believe I should ever give such an idea the power of my belief. I also am careful not to think on things I do not believe in too much, because I may start to fear them and the moment that happens I may believe in their power. I try not to fear harmful things but rather accept them, or try to at least, with the help of my own belief of how I would like things to be. I know that personally I would like to experience certain things, love, kindness, happiness, peace.. but I also know that I have heard that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I believe that obsessive love can harm because it may smother, too much kindness could be cruel if it is not honest, happiness may not exist if we could not appreciate how it is better than misery, and peace could not exist without knowledge of tyranny. I believe you must know, and educate, and learn what personal ideals are, but I believe the moment you give something belief, you give it power and control over you. Hitler, for example, could not have threatened peace unless we gave Hitler power by believing his ideas and taking them as fact. If there are ‘aliens’, which seems likely because I believe in possibility, they do not have to be harmful. I believe something can only hurt if it is allowed to. I believe something would only want to hurt out of fear. But all of this is my opinion, it is not truth, and I do not believe anything can be true unless it is personal belief. And my personal belief is that in order for their to be peace for one there may need to be peace for all, that in order for me to exist that another would need to exist with me in order for me not to be alone, even if that other is not like me so that i might not be alone or unhappy, maybe. But this is all opinion, not fact.
I won’t hold my peace, you can jump up and down what you want. John.
You said: “OK I would say to Professor Goldney, “where did you god come from? Can you explain in any detail about it from your own personal experiences, can you prove any of this?”
He will say “uuuh no”.”
The fact that you already can fill in what Professor Goldney would say or answer, shows how arrogant you are. As if you already know what everyone would answer. Can you be dumber then that ? I think you are one like that, you are dumber than a box of hammers. Your skull has probably caved in between your ears. I don’t even need to see evidence of it, you just are solely capable of showing that without evidence or scientific facts.
You very likely can say things like: “I crashed against a wall and it did not happen. What are you talking about ? I will deny that in front of everyone.” It’s no logic, it’s not a scientific fact (in my head)” Now, that shows to me what I meant with nil “intelligence”.
Now here goes. Let’s take an example. Someone would have a dream, but the contents are only for the one who dreamt it. He or she shares the dream and then John goes, Nah, that is not possible, no scientific evidence of your dream. So it does not exists. Again an attitude of looking through a microscope or telescope and trying to explain what they can’t see, smell, feel, touch or reason by de facto.
Modus Tollens is not utter nonsense, it is very much applicable for anyone who wants to put forward formulae as they see fit.
It’s like a group that tries to set a standard for what they have discovered. Like for example the color blue. Who has established that this is the color blue ? A group of people who expects the rest of the world to accept their interpretation as a fact. Is it a fact ? No, only that group has accepted so therefore the entire world must accept it.
About Richard Dawkins ? RIchard Dawkins is by “profession” the standard declaration of Atheism. In addition to being a great writer, Dawkins is so quotable, so entertaining, so controversial and colorful because he is a fundamentalist zealot, albeit of the atheist variety.
This makes for great press and wonderful book sales, but it is hardly a compliment when it comes to the matter of careful comment about complex matters like religious faith.
All the modesty, nuance, controls, and qualifications that characterize careful scientific work vanish when Dawkins dons his philosopher’s hat. I have to believe that many of his scientific colleagues cringe at his bombastic and pompous pronouncements, however entertaining.
All that he does is selfelevation of self and make himself the Dawkins god. He cannot give any solace regarding, suffering, pain, sickness, poverty and human life on the plane of his complete idiocy of explaining it.
Continued in next post.
When Dawkins tries to defend himself as well John who stands 100 % behind him with his crazy stupidness of explaining Faith. He falls 100% short in every way and from.
Science limits itself to empirical evidence, which makes much of it so compelling, but empirical evidence yields only limited information. Further, even such an ostensibly objective act as “empirical observation” is both theory laden and “tainted” by the subjective knower. In addition, like all disciplines, science operates with its own unprovable assumptions (eg, that the world is rational). In this sense Dawkins, and all scientists, are people of faith. When recently asked, “what do you believe is true even though you cannot prove it?” Dawkins responded, “I believe that all life, all intelligence, all creativity and all ‘design’ anywhere in the universe, is the direct or indirect product of Darwinian natural selection. It follows that design comes late in the universe, after a period of Darwinian evolution. Design cannot precede evolution and therefore cannot underlie the universe.” As an article of faith, fair enough. As a “proof” demanded by science, no.
None of them has been able to explain intelligent design by a Creator that exists and is constantly busy to work this out. But the belligerent attitude of both of them only shows that throwing sticks in the chicken pen will at some point hurt enough people that their false ideologies are accepted as facts who are no facts.
Faith does not need to be fact. If it was, then supernatural manifestation can be explained by de facto. There is absolute no need for this and no standard for that either. Supernatural manifestation does not need any influence for humans. It are miracles that are standing on their own with awesome results that not one scientist or even human can ever reveal what happened. That is why it is beyond understanding when someone is healed from cancer, heart problems who was given up by all the doctors in a few days after supernatural intervention. One of the examples was my own father who was in the hospital with more than 20 medicines. His condition was stroke, heart-failure, water retention behind the lungs, arteries clogged, speech problems, directional failure. Was healed within 24 hours from named problems after a short prayer being expressed by faith. Doctors were complete confounded and confused what happened and admitted were completely wrong in diagnosis, since the entire family had to be drummed up to come and say goodbye because science thought and was assured this is the end of a life on departure.
Therefore I only do not declare John to incredible dumb, but also downright ignorant and lost in translation of his own foolishness that he keeps displaying on here. You can yell and jump up and down what you want to me. I am not interested what you believe or not believe. Just keep talking like that, see if you achieve something. One thing for sure, you don’t have a degree in Social Care either.
Little more about Dawkins in how wrong he is. Dawkins the grandstander gets more than his fair share of the press, and this should not obscure the untold and often unknown story that there are many scientists, prestigious and obscure, who are people of deep religious faith. My favorite science-faith writer is John Polkinghorne—a particle physicist, former president of Queens’ College, Cambridge, and ordained Anglican priest. Ic could even bring others to mind, like Owen Gingerich, professor of astronomy and the history of science at Harvard, or Ian Hutchinson, a plasma physicist who heads MIT’s Department of Nuclear Science and Engineering. I want to mentioned Bill Newsome at Stanford. Scientific “authority,” whatever it’s cache, cuts both ways. As a Minister, it is my pleasure and privilege to meet many Christian Professors, Ministers, people, Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox and Charismatic, from every academic discipline and non academic discipline every where in the world that I have travelled to. As I have mentioned before I have travelled more than 31 countries and most of them I have visited more than 10 times. It does not disturb or surprise me to encounter a Richard Dawkins every once in a long while.
The book what he wrote, the God delusion which I have read. I asked him if he could explain to me why he has to quote 85 % things in there from other people who make a stance on or Atheism and Science. Also I came to the conclusion that 10 % is his own conclusion and 5% is his ghostwriter that has changed things from the original scripts Dawkins wrote.
Making money in this way, is easy money when you have made a following that go after the Dawkins god himself when he goes trailblazing in the country and bring forth his discrediting evil regarding Faith and the existence of God.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CmzFDRR7rCA
Belongs to former post and link video.
The Christian world view opposite the Atheist view does not turn a blind eye to suffering or candy coat it with pious cliches as I mentioned in the former posts.
Rather, our faith encourages a large measure of protest, doubt, and questioning, not to mention concrete deeds of love to address the human condition (most of which are never reported on the nightly news). The book of Job is perhaps the best example; likewise the Psalms. One irritating habit of Dawkins’s is to present the weakest and most tendentious examples of Christian faith, and then proceed to destroy them. Another is to insinuate that he is among the first or brightest thinkers ever to consider the place of the problem of evil in the life of faith.
Christians do not embrace the irrational or claim ignorance as an ally. We do not understand faith as blind obedience or “believing what you know ain’t true.”
Christians, in fact, find a place for something like the tsunami, believing as we do that “the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time”
Another thing about Richard Dawkins is simply this. Even if we assume that there would be something out there, I simply would like to know this.
Let me bring forward an example regarding this which is that the simplest life-form known to man is the Mycoplasma genitalium, which has 580,000 nucleotide pairs, combining into about 3,000-5,000 genes. These are just inanimate molecules not living beings. Yet somehow all of these non-living molecules come together in just the right sequence to produce an amazingly complex life form for a “simple cell” and If I believe Richard Dawkins, they do it all by themselves! You’ve certainly got much more faith than I do.
If I would speak to a person who is a cell biologist Antonie Philips van Leeuwenhoek or Roger Yonchien Tsien is. They would tell us that there is no purely scientific mechanism to explain how these non-living molecules organize themselves into complex life. You might hope that scientists will one day find an explanation, but until they do that expectation is Faith and not science.
And to quote another man who was very clever, Sir Francis Bacon he would have told us this; “Sir Francis Bacon: ‘To conclude, therefore, let no man … think or maintain that a man can search too far or be too well studied in the book of God’s word, or in the book of God’s works; divinity or philosophy; but rather let men endeavour an endless progress or proficiency in both.”
Basically the idea is that God has two books: He has the book of nature, and He has His word – the Bible, and He gives them both to us. It reminds us that at one level we can be like the Book of Esther: we don’t need to mention the name of God, and yet God can be throughout the book very plainly to see, through the eyes of Faith and even Science. And at another level we can invoke God, not as a watchmaker, but as a continuing Creator. One who lives in and through everything, and sustains the world with His power and through His word, and who suffered with His Creation.
This is what I believe and endorse. Life has never been the same after this discovery in my personal life and that of billion others. I guess that it is the jealousy of the Atheist is that he cannot endorse whether deliberately or unconsciously the sixth sense of Faith.
I was thinking about the Atheist Philosopher Jean Paul Sartre just now. He once said that the greatest problem in the universe is, “Why is there something rather than nothing?” He’s absolutely right. Logically, you just can’t get from absolutely nothing, to something. But here we are. And Yes, I am still convinced that UFO, IFO’s are manmade and not by extra terrestrials and there are no Aliens and if there were, they logically would contradict themselves of not visiting their offspring and support them. Which would justify to annihilate them if they come in our airspace. Which does agree with everything that we have seen from them, which is lying, conspiracy, selfishness, mysticism, secrecy, non-supportive, stay at a distance, using and abusing people for personal gain, abducting, ruining crops and harvests which could be used to feed the third world injustice, brainwashing gullible people, evil, fantasy, self-destruction, government coverups, freaks who love to write things where normalcy has stopped as mental faculty, if it was true. Therefore I have experienced enough to reject the 10-15% probability that they would exist for anyone’s benefit. Those are the facts we have seen for the last 6000 years of humankind recorded history and it is scientifically impossible to deny this, unless you are extremely stupid, that this is not true.
It does not matter how long a thesis you may produce if you have a brilliant mind because you will never understand unless the unknown presents itself to you personally. Then you will be a believer but it does not end there because that which appears and dissapears before you leaves you with the question..from where it came and has gone to.
True experiencers expect to be open to insults..that means nothing to me as I am one who has SEEN the UNSEEN
Evolution: it goes without saying, anybody has any suspicion should read more, But the Question is what’s behind it except Genes? gene is not intelligent entity, so how does evolution work? behind genes is one of the most advanced coding systems in this universe its kind of energy “intelligent form its long story, the secret of perception, cognition,,,” anyhow life is not easy at all, mankind’s knowledge still very weak and needs to rebuild, like psychology is full of mistakes, whats behind evolution is strange kind of energy, its you “self-concept” you’re using perception unit right now, to transfer it to recognition unit, this self-concept is strange kind of energy its behind Evolution, some people doesn’t like this, these psychological characters are built in, some built in characters are good to protect Mankind, but some of it are not good for mankind progress, the silly thing is self-concept “you” refuses this fact itself,
we didn’t open the gate of science yet, we need a real scientists, we should change our way of thinking about Time, speed concept, look to almost physics equations from Newton’s Laws to Relativity and Quantum Laws, We ignoring the main Rule of Speed-Time, MassEnergy, we’ve to revise our way of thinking about time-speed concept.
about Evolution: look to this: A phantom limb is the sensation that an amputated or missing limb (even an organ, like the appendix) is still attached to the body and is moving appropriately with other body parts,,, self-concept has the infinitesimal details of whole human body Energy state “she built it”, that’s why, its data still exist in our brain,
precognition related to time concept too,,,,,
everything in this universe is Govern by Science, in future this will be the most important Field in science “self-concept energy”, you can apply this on other beings, time to small beings is different, that’s why it evolute more speedy, Human being needs his brain too, some simple people wants to live for ever! mankind lives for ever through his progeny, human transfer “self-concept” to his children unknowingly and unwillingly what a shame! that’s why we should take care of our progeny, Democracy and Humanity aren’t luxury, during Crisis they could rely on them to rebuild there society in short time, else any society full thieves, bribers, telltales, pimps,hypocrisy,,, could destroy them any time, whats really strange is some ignorant thieves and bribees,,,, talking about civilization!
I think there is a problem with human mind, they are living like irrational animals!!!
the problem we still don’t understand ourselves, forget about Psychology its full of mistake, they are simple people needs help too its not science its kind of pseudo-science…
we’ve to find good way to connect all exact sciences to work in good way, because some sophisticated problems need all these together to solve it.
I have a BS in Physics and I am a Christian who believes the Bible more-or-less literally (though I’m more and more convinced that the English translations aren’t all they’re cracked up to be). If life is discovered on Mars, I will see it as another of God’s creation. CS Lewis wrote “The Space Trilogy” more-or-less with this mibnd in view. Of course, there is also the Biblical view that aliens ar demons, research “Nephilim”
We see John sputtering that Youtube is not a valid source of information of Science. Now how funny is that ? Youtube, is born out of a Scientific manifestation of people who post there with the result that can be measured on the screen as empirical evidence . Mawhahahaahahahahahahaha.
Watch this film from Youtube by a chap who has a Ph.D in Physics. It’s one of the most interesting and compelling things that explains our existence and what happened before our time and how it was manifested. This is explained very Scientifically with logical proofs who are undeniable and non refutable.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nl3Uj2UJjPA
Good luck everyone.
For John,
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cT5O62Sr1so
There is no God is it not ? But He does raise people from the dead when necessary that He exists. This is proof, real proof. Go bend your head around this John, explain it with your text book believe in UFO’s, IFO’s and Aliens.
Thank you very much.
My personal encounter was as I already described certainly not a material one so I could only summise it entered my room from another dimension. It was not any alien grey. Reading about Roswell and the alien casualties I pitied them. I wonder what happened to their bodies..are they hidden somewhere and would their bodies have been blessed by a priest.
@ Shirley
Can you or anyone explain this one ?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pGdjop_pc8M&feature=related
That is what I believe in, those are things right in front manifest without reading about it. I have been in that church for 11 days in 2007 and those things are happening there. Proof ? Yes, definitely. Every single day hundreds of people are prayed for and healed. Including HIV aids.
Divine intervention and mind over matter we have here and these miracles are wonderful when they happen.
So as these things can manifest so can other unknown manifestations appear to others without reading about them.
So what kj I can say I can’t be bothered to reply, and reply if I want. It’s just a blog and you take it all too seriously.
Youtube videos are impossible to validate from the video alone. I didn’t say they were all hoaxes, as you say about all ufo videos. You will have to prove that people have returned from the dead or other miracles by validating your claim. Otherwise we call it anecdotal, the same as ufo sighting videos, or possibly unexplained.
People appear dead for all sorts of medical reasons. I remember hearing how a snake bit rendered someone almost dead but in a coma but had full auditory functions. They were about to cut him open for an autopsy, just before a doctor found a snake in his belongings, and thankfully they didn’t continue with the autopsy. They managed to revive him and he lived. Miracle it was not! Occam’s razor applies quite well with the supernatural, always look for the most obvious explanations first, and if you can’t prove it’s supernatural then it’s most likely not.
KJ you believe all these youtube videos that almost anyone could produce & fake various procedures? What does that say about your credibility?
Now this does not mean youtube is not a useful source of information, whether it’s scientific or something else. But on it’s own it’s not definitive proof of anything for obvious reasons. For the same reasons as ufo videos on youtube don’t prove anything. If a video did have other real sources to corroborate the claim, involving actual documented or physical evidence of a procedure witnessed by several doctors who all verified the claim, then you would be talking of some kind of evidence at least. If you don’t get that, then you’re even more gullible than the October 14th believers.
Mouran, it’s clear you have no idea about what you’re talking about. Evolution works and works quite well, and does not have to be intelligently controlled. If it was it would be a poor intelligence as they have made quite a mess of their creation! lol
KJ, I just found your posts above, and your ramblings get even more insane. Your whole argument against Dawkin’s is that he doesn’t believe in god. Well that’s true, but you’re also basing most of your argument that he claims god doesn’t exist. Actually he says god probably doesn’t exist. He doesn’t claim that it’s impossible for genes to have intelligence to them, he will probably say that there’s no evidence to suggest that they do and so all we can say is that these genes do this and can do this through an explained process. And he would be absolutely correct to say that. It’s your false interpretation that is assuming anyone claims it’s impossible for this to be intelligently controlled. Many biologists have spent lifetimes carrying out experiments to provide us with the knowledge of these processes that genes go through at various times. Just because all this documented evidence appears to you to say that it’s telling us that a god cannot do this in your mind of limited knowledge & expertise in this area, it does not means that you have interpreted correctly. In fact none of this documented evidence of these processes contradicts all beliefs, whilst some are contradicted and can be discarded, science does not try and disprove something with a starting premise that it exists, and so has nothing to do with any belief belief system which may or may not be true. If these do contradict your beliefs then I advise you discard or adapt. Preferably discard though. There is no need to get angry at silly things like this, and biologists don’t say a god did not do this process, they are only interested in telling us what they’ve discovered through experimentation. It’s your own poor judgement to think they are assuming there’s no god, and in fact I’m sure a lot would be fascinated if they could prove intelligent design if that’s the case. But since there’s never being any evidence to suggest intelligent design they have correct in saying that it’s not likely. Of course that premise might change, but that’s how science works, and all types of properly executed learning methods involves new discoveries or proof at certain points in time. Even if someone were to suggest they have had personal experiences with god, they are learning all the time, and adapting what they think as reality in their minds. Nobody can say, oh yes, I’ve solved every question everyone can ever ask, and I know everything. Not even if they believe in god and they think they have real personal experiences, or similarly with aliens, or even in science. There’s always many more new questions after each one has been answered. And any part of the spriritual idealogy or supernatural idealogy that is real will be explained by science one day, so there’s no need to attack science just because they upset you by saying the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, for example.
You mix up beliefs and science, and calling someone arrogant just because they don’t wish to take such a leap of faith in something like god “is” pathetic. Where you called me arrogant for saying I knew what Professor Goldney would say, well it’s right I don’t know what he would say. But I can with a fair bit of certainty that he will be the same self-righteous kind of person as you and all other fundamentalist and/or extremist religious person.
I can’t believe you actually called Dawkin’s a fundamentalist. There’s no such thing as a fundamentalist athiest. Definition of fundamentalist : “A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.”
Science is not religion, and Dawkin’s only suggests that all religious faith could be incorrect as there’s no proof to back any of it up. I doubt he will have any problem with a god existing if it was proven. I wouldn’t either. It’s just people like you that don’t have any real reasoning that actually causes arguments with sensible rational people.
Where you said “Antonie Philips van Leeuwenhoek or Roger Yonchien Tsien is. They would tell us that there is no purely scientific mechanism to explain how these non-living molecules organize themselves into complex life. You might hope that scientists will one day find an explanation, but until they do that expectation is Faith and not science.”
OK so what… believe in what you want, santa claus… if it makes you happy. It doesn’t make it true, and by definition faith can be proven incorrect and has been done many times.
you said “One irritating habit of Dawkins’s is to present the weakest and most tendentious examples of Christian faith, and then proceed to destroy them.”
Yes christianity is incorrect whether a god exists or not, that has to be accepted by anyone. But you don’t understand Dawkin’s would most likely respect any belief as long as it wasn’t taught as fact, and only taught as a belief. Everyone has to accept that what you can’t prove empirically might not actually be correct. On the other hand it might, but that still doesn’t mean we should teach anyone that faith is fact.
It’s difficult to find much to reply to you out of your many pages of waffle. But the bit where you call me dumb, I think you’ll find it difficult to get anyone apart from the other extremists to agree with you.
And a further note to Mouron : You quote all these scientific words and misuse them. What you don’t understand or you just haven’t learnt is not just automatically wrong. Remember Sarah Palin saying that fruit flies had no benefit to anyone at all. Except for most of modern days genetics. lol. It’s common for people to make their own judgements and be incorrect. That’s why science is not just one persons ideas, as everyone is going to be wrong at some stage, it’s only the smartest lead the way. And KJ if you’re still reading, there isn’t one person on our planet that understands everything, whether that be an area of science or what someone believes in involving a personal experience. Your brain fills in so many blanks and tells you that you’ve solved it, and hey presto you’re all happy and jolly until one day someone has completely destroyed your beliefs. Don’t let that be yourself. While it’s healthy to believe in something other than what we can observe or measure the effects of, it’s definitely not healthy to base your whole idealogy on a fundamentalist approach, and then attack others even if they just disagree. And the people KJ is attacking don’t even say that KJ has to be wrong, they only say he could be wrong. I’m open to any suggestion of what part of the supernatural or otherwordly or godly is real, as long as they can have a sensible discussion and accept that they may be wrong, unless they provide some convincing evidence, whether that be anecdotal, it’s up to the individual making the claims to convince others what they saw or said is true. Or even better provide the scientific world some actual data to support it, and I would be the first on here to congratulate the person on making a new discovery.
I’ve had a fair few unexplained experiences involving what many would automatically assume to be supernatural, otherwordly or even related to what some would perceive as god. The fact that we all perceive different things for the same kind of experiences is almost proof that our minds fill in the blanks depending on our upbringind. Of course I think that science does not explain even a fraction of what will be happening to us and around us. But I’m not going to make up a fantasy land and then try and change what we’ve learnt in science and maths to fit into that. Doing that would be the quick way into a delusional world. You would probably find it’s the uneducated folk who make these assumptions about the world, and cry when anyone says they could be wrong. If you have any kind of intelligence, there’s so much to learn, so why waste so much time in looking for supernatural answers for everything. You’d be surprised just what we do actually know about our universe if you only picked up a book and read it. I hear many ignorant comments about such and such, that only those who choose to live in ignorance would say “wow I didn’t know that, that makes sense now”. If they just stopped closing their minds to their own thoughts and opened it to what other people have to say, and especially those have contributed to major discoveries and the new fields which have opened up recently. Again about Dawkin’s I agree that if he said that you must not have any beliefs at all and live like an unemotional robot not thinking about what may exist, then he would be a bit silly. But I’ve never heard him say anything like that. All he and most other scientists would say is that those beliefs could be wrong, and you cannot disprove that statement one bit, until you can prove your claim that have been made. It is unhealthy to teach kids creationism as fact as all the supposed evidence put forward is not real evidence, and most of this evidence has been proven incorrect in the same way that a lot of christianity’s beliefs have been proven incorrect. This is not attacking god or anything like that, it’s just pointing out flaws in what these people are claiming. Religion will never be able to get along with science until it starts to prove any of its claims or just accept that they could be wrong. To say that all or some of science is be wrong you would have to provide evidence to contradict the evidence we have discovered to make that assertion in the first place. I hope some of you are getting this now. Right, and where Dawkins says religions get a free ride, he is correct. For so long it has been thought to be rude or out of place to tell this to religions, but it’s time they were told how things actually are, and what reality actually is for each and everyone of us. Belief in god is just another opinion and can be told that it may be wrong just like any other opinion.
I have given plenty of time to listen to people’s experiences when they claim to experience miracles or speak to god, and for each one so far there is almost always a mundane explanation and the rest lacks any credible evidence to prove it was real. So with unconvincing anecdotal evidence and no actual physical evidence of what they claim, it is almost impossible to agree with any of those people about what they claim. The same is true for the majority of ufo and alien witnesses, although I can compare a few sightings to my own and can relate this as a possibility. But even before my sighting I was sure there was some kind of unexplained phenomenon because people sounded convincing describing their experiences. This has never happened when a religious person describes their experiences. All they do is rant and rant about nothing. I don’t mean to be arrogant by saying that, as I haven’t met everyone who strongly believes in god, maybe I will one day meet someone who does convince me of this. But so far they have all been self-righteous, unsure where admitting they could be wrong, or down-right extreme and abusive towards all others except for the fundamentalists/extremists with the same dire views. They even attack other kinds of fundamentalists just because of a slight variation in their beliefs! KJ if you have real experiences with god and you want us to listen to you then converse in an appropriate manner that we all understand, and stop spouting wholly incomprehensible words, and explain what you have to tell us clearly and intelligently. There’s no point in just attacking people’s comments and resorting to name calling, not by me, you or anyone else. If you have anything of worthwhileness to say to anyone on these forums, do so now.
And for those of you that think science is completely non-spiritual then maybe you should check out the global consciousness project, whereby there’s circumstancial evidence to suggest all of humanity are connected as one consciousness, and therefore could imply an afterlife. It’s not validated, but it’s definitely interesting stuff and could explain certain phenomenon considered supernatural.
THEY ARE COMING I SEE THE ALIENS!!!
@ John,
FYI, Insanity is extreme high intelligence, John.
You said: “Just because all this documented evidence appears to you to say that it’s telling us that a god cannot do this in your mind of limited knowledge & expertise in this area, it does not means that you have interpreted correctly.”
I have perfectly interpreted that correctly. Only you are the one that thinks I did not, but that is ok. Limited knowledge and expertise ? I am laughing now as if I have just snorted laughing gas from a canister as figure of speech. Assumptions does not cut the cake with you as per usual.
You said: “But since there’s never being any evidence to suggest intelligent design they have correct in saying that it’s not likely.”
Those who are with me on the same page and see it same way as I do, would say, you are not looking close enough. Certain things are so incredible complex that it is impossible to have not a intelligent designer behind it. If you deny that, your UFO and Aliens story would never go up and fly no kite whatsoever. That you have chosen rather to see it as in a far far away galaxy is your problem of interpretation. There is nothing that has proven as it’s existence, besides, far far far away pictures as per usual, pixilated shaky camera videos. I saw one guy claiming that the whole Egyptian era was done by aliens. He was demonstrating a battery with a copper pipe in it, claiming that the Egyptians had philips lightbulbs in their Pyramids. The excuse was, people were only living in caves, so it had to be they could not make such world wonders. Why the heck they would give such primitive technology away to humans, if they would be millions of years ahead in technology and ability. It disappears from the scene all of sudden if it was true. Then it takes a another 6000 years before mankind makes another re-invention of the lightbulb through Humphry Davy in 1800, an English scientist. He experimented with electricity and invented an electric battery. When he connected wires to his battery and a piece of carbon, the carbon glowed, producing light. This is called an electric arc. What a crock about lightbulbs existed 3000 BC. You are in the same pack and league.
You have chosen to believe as a “fundamentalist” in science the writings from others who discovered something. Yet you can’t accept the word of God that supersedes all of that and only this when you practically apply this. What I don’t understand why you get so angry about it ? Something that you and Dawkins both exercise. It is like as if believing by faith is the fault of all problems of this world. There is no evidence into that. Nowhere. It is easier to criticize things then try it out if it works.
You said: “Your brain fills in so many blanks and tells you that you’ve solved it, and hey presto you’re all happy and jolly until one day someone has completely destroyed your beliefs.”
And why would someone want to do such a thing, unless you are in the spirit of the Anti Christ (against God) and want to do such a thing. This means: I would like to know why someone comes out deliberately to destroy someone’s beliefs for. Have I not told you, I don’t do “beliefs” as you vehemently keep hammering upon. Hence you find that “extremist”. The issue I am trying to explain to you is, I live by “Faith”. Faith is a substance (material) only you don’t have to see it with the natural eye. I live by the Power of God which manifests in supernatural healing, revelation, feeding, breakthroughs, finances, increase, provision, progress where there is no progress possible, miracles, what was impossible will be possible, favor. Everyone has a portion of faith and they can exercise it when they train to get around with it. WIth such exercise (hearing the word of God) there comes increase of faith and more greater things are possible. The foundations of this world are framed upon this and not on a so called Big Bang as I have explained up in another post. And my foundations are pretty good built on that. It’s solid rock. If I fail, I know I will be caught and risen up again. So far it has not proven to be air castles. I guess you can’t understand that somehow, why someone would be floating on such a boat and go everywhere. No-one said here, it is a easy road to go, but it needs courage to do such a thing. It has never crumbled for me so far. Even if it would, I still trust and know that all shall be well.
These things most people acquires by going to a college or university for X amount of years. Which is totally ok, no problem. But there is another way. I have chosen to walk that way and am pretty chuffed with that way. It has never failed to work, for more than 20 years now. Do I have to listen to someone who is in his twenties and goes to Uni, (if it is true what you are saying. I have a strong feeling it is not true) On the internet I see a lot of Dr’s, PhD’s, Professors claiming they are one and they don’t even come close to be one. This will only be proven if they can show their credentials and then still I would not be bowled over by one.
I am convinced that all the knowledge that I need is enclosed up inside of me. And whenever I need more wisdom, I ask and I will receive again by faith. And so far I have not failed yet to progress with it. Also it is not needed for everyone to be a so called Einstein or Pascal. I have been able to do things I have never studied for. I barely use a instruction manual to solve a situation or problem. The only instruction manual I use is the Bible. It works for me as well for others.
I don’t know why you would to have any excuse to become a Christian or a Follower of Jesus Christ. It would make your life a lot more interesting. It does for me and many others. That you feel it does not do a crunch for you is not my problem, it solely lies in the fact you willingly refuse to investigate in such a mighty thing that we have. Just try it and see what would happen. You will never be the same again.
@ John,
You said; “KJ you believe all these youtube videos that almost anyone could produce & fake various procedures? What does that say about your credibility?”
These things happen also when you are physically there. They don’t need to be recorded on tape or video. To find out for you. Just attend such meetings and you will see it with your own eyes and experience it too.
I have taken these video’s to get your attention about it. These video’s are not tampered with. These people fall down. I have seen it. Many others have seen it. Sometimes it is more powerful then in other occasions. Since you want to believe it, if it is true, I would say: “Seeing in your case is believing.” Unless you just want to deny it. The bible says about this:
“2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Timothy 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”
I know you don’t like me to quote the bible and it makes you angry, but is it not coincidental that this was written 2000 years ago and that this is applicable to a lot of people in the days such as this ? It is just a fact undeniably. Just look around. People are just like that.
I have got a lot of patience with you, John. Not many would put up with you in how you reply to people in general, especially when it would go about God. But…… I have hope. There are many who are like you and all of sudden they are “broken”, look at Athony Flew. Nobody would have thought that, if it was possible. But it was. I have no doubt that some day something similar will happen to you. If not today, then another day. I have faith for that. It is a pity that you are “stuck” for now. It will come.
@ John,
You said: “But I’m not going to make up a fantasy land and then try and change what we’ve learnt in science and maths to fit into that. Doing that would be the quick way into a delusional world.”
Psychologists and Psychiatrists might think so. This could be applicable to some people too or even believers who go to the extreme. But I have seen some who went extreme and were rewarded for it, because they stepped out on the water.
Anyone who would have seen Peter going out of a boat and started to walk on water, because Jesus called him out, would have declared Peter insane and ready for a padded cell with drugs injected in his veins.
But that is what we or I call Faith, believe that you can do it. And it way stretches far over mind of matter. The mind is finite. Especially in creating a Universe which is defined as everything that physically exists: the entirety of space and time whether chronos or aeonion (which are already unique on themselves), all forms of matter, antimatter, energy and momentum, and the physical laws and constants that govern them.
The problem is that Atheists and unbelievers cannot answer many things. For example on basic world view questions:
1. Origins: Where did life and humanity originate?
2. The Problem: Why is there suffering, sickness, and death?
3. The Solution: What is the cure for man’s suffering, esp. his existential loneliness?
Questions of Meaning and Value:
4. How does an atheist assign meaning to human activity? Is all meaning subjective, or do some activities have self-evident and objective worth and meaning. If so, what are these activities, and how to you arrive at their value?
5. Are humans of more intrinsic value than animals? Why or why not?
6. How does an atheist determine what is moral or immoral, right or wrong. Is there any objective standard or principles?
Questions of Worldview:
7. What type of government does atheistic philosophy translate into? How does it understand the relationship between man and government? What type of government structures flow from an atheistic world view? Does it merely rely on someone else’s system of thought, like the assumptions of naturalistic science?
8. How does atheism view religions and religious faith? What about metaphysics? Is atheism purely materialistic and naturalistic?
9. Who are the authoritative writers/books of atheism? What are the central tenets of atheism, and if they have a “greatest commandment,” what is it? For example, arguably, Christianity’s is “Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, mind, soul and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.” What are Atheist’s one’s without looking to the bible ?
Questions of Revelation:
10. What happens after we die? After all Christians have something to look forward to.
And….When Atheists go to Court, they can’t swear on the bible, can they be taken seriously not lying since their morals actually come from bible standards and the 10 commandments which God wrote and gave to Moses ?
So many things you could not answer and there is no hope in Atheists or denial of a God.
John,
Jean-Paul Sartre* came up with a memorable line: “God doesn’t exist—the bastard!”
Sartre’s wonderful outburst of disappointed rage suggests that it is not as easy as one might suppose to rid oneself of the notion of God. hehe.
@ John,
You said: “KJ if you have real experiences with god and you want us to listen to you then converse in an appropriate manner that we all understand, and stop spouting wholly incomprehensible words, and explain what you have to tell us clearly and intelligently. There’s no point in just attacking people’s comments and resorting to name calling, not by me, you or anyone else. If you have anything of worthwhileness to say to anyone on these forums, do so now.”
All what I and others here on this forum have seen from you is your way of attacking by, aggression, meanness, falsehood, lethargy, catatonia, catharsis, blackmail, sowing strife and discord, false accusations, alogia, bitterness, agitation, comorbid in abusing others intelligence, being catatonic, effective trying to flatten others intelligence by ridicule, illusory perception, inability in use of understanding another person what they actually mean by applying reverse psychology, avolition,irritability, paranoia, frequent derailment or incoherence of speech, in writing and rage.
On the other hand I have shown you: my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, under persecution kindness, under afflictions meekness, under hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions and heresies, I have shown you character, love, truth and greatness.
This is how the sheep are separated from the goats and you have clearly proven your knack into that up to a tee. May God deal with your stubbornness, delusionary insights and projections and get you out of your crazy locomotive-train that has lost it’s machinist running total and complete pandemonium on a rail-track that leads to the country of nowhere land and oblivion.
@ John,
You said:”Everyone has to accept that what you can’t prove empirically might not actually be correct.”
1. Who is Everyone ? You and all your “friends”, unbelievers and atheists ? They already believe that, no need to correct that. That does not mean that what they believe is true.
You cannot make it hard what another one wants to or can believe and sees great progress in their life with it as such. You can’t even empirical prove that. Which makes your statement logically and completely invalid.
There will be never a time that science will supersede Faith even if they would hope to one day. That is impossible. Simply bercause science comes out of Faith, that only can be applied by the practical appliance and insistence of it. Whether this is by prayer or by speaking words of faith. Eg. Be healed !, Come out, Satan, in Jesus Name !, I reap what I have sown, I will call upon God and He will answer me, all these are the facts for those who believe and walk into it. Nothing is impossible. Again, it’s a lifestyle. Not everyone wants to do that. It works for me and others who share the same train of thought. Maybe not for you, but I doubt that, because everyone can do it, as long as you believe in it.
The correct and true parts of faith will one day become the future of science, and the incorrect faith will disappear into a void. More incorrect faith will replace this, and so on and on. All of that has been documented and proven to be true during the past few centuries. There is no reason to think that this will ever change.
Oh you’re so funny claiming those things on youtube do happen and you’ve witnessed them. If that was the case there would be at least a slight bit of interest like there is in ufos by science. There has never been anyone credible to report on miracles, and there has been many credible folk who have gone to these places where crackpots claim they occur everyday. All they find is fools causing harm to sick people, and fundamentalist crazy people. For example, a man with a neck injury was told it was healed and in the ecstasy of the group euphoria he didn’t feel the pain, and the idiot who said god came down and fixed it grabbed hold of his neck and twisted it about. The poor guy suffered seriously from this, and the doctors could not believe how stupid some people can be. But I can understand exactly how stupid people can be when people like KJ talk their rubbish on here.
You use the bible as evidence of god, it’s evidence of nothing. How many more people need to tell you this? You say you’re losing patience because I won’t accept your belief as fact, well here’s something for you. I will NEVER accept your belief as fact, unless you can prove it. So I gave you a chance to have a meaningful conversation and yet you still attempt with indoctrination. You make claim after claim about god and miracles, and your best approach is to tell people yes it’s real because you seen it. Well that’s not good enough and you should know that. I respect people’s beliefs but I don’t respect those beliefs being forced upon others when they absolutely disagree. You have either not read any of my last post in detail, or you are completely out of your mind when you continuously accuse me of not having an open minded approach to life.
kj said “The problem is that Atheists and unbelievers cannot answer many things. For example on basic world view questions:
1. Origins: Where did life and humanity originate?”
Your answer is speculation and cannot be accepted as fact. Equating belief to knowledge is just part of your delusion.
“2. The Problem: Why is there suffering, sickness, and death?”
Why is never an important issue, it’s more of how we can make the sick healthy which actually counts. If you were so god-centred you’d realise this, and just enjoy your life instead of pandering to a mythical being.
And athiests and unbelievers do answer these questions and many many many many many (*10^999) more than any religion has ever answered. They just aren’t self-centred enough like you to force their opinions on others, where any belief is an opinion until you can prove it.
Everyone can see what happens when someone gives kj a chance to have a meaningful chat, and instead all he does is typical religious indoctrination. All he has to do is tell us clearly about each of his experiences with god involving miracles, instead of mentioning it briefly and going off on a tantrum of bible speak, and equating something irrelevant that has nothing to do with his original assertion with the miracle. Explain the connections between these assertions, as it looks more like a random collection of beliefs that he thinks are linked, but can’t explain himself even at a basic level why he thinks those are right, apart from it’s because he thinks so.
So KJ, I’ve noticed you always attack every ufo sighting and therefore I assume to think alien life does not exist, and so Earth is the only place with life. If that’s the case, what was the purpose of your god creating all these trillions of stars and billions of galaxies?! Don’t tell me it’s only for humans and animals to look at? That would be a hilarious answer. Whether there’s a god or not it makes absolute sense for life to be out there, and remember you’re the one who claims the question “why?” matters the most, and so everything has a purpose. That’s how you interpret everything. By scientific standards empirical evidence is required first before asking any why questions, unless they are talking about speculation or a theory. So what’s the purpose of these many galaxies, stars, nebulae etc for then?! Provide a meaningful answer, and if you can’t then accept you don’t know a shred of what may be real in our reality!
@ John,
Every act of blasphemy (that is what you are good into, John) is a kind of tribute to God, because it is based on belief. “If anyone doubts this,” he wrote, “let him sit down seriously and try to think blasphemous thoughts about any Bhudda or Hindu faith or anything else to that effect, for my part Thor.
But there is a problem. Human nature, in other circumstances, is also clearly constructed for cruel exploitation, uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of other less desirable traits. Which you so contantly are able to express over here about God and Faith and serious mindset you have acquired in the hope you can convince anyone who speaks on here about belief. I have explained for Faith you don’t need facts. That is you limitation and error in the train of thought what you so eagerly try to convince anyone that is available. You really think I would sway for your philosophical interpretations that come out of somewhere that is never written down in marble. You clearly show a construction error even before the building is finished.
So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between good and bad instincts? Theism, for several millennia, has given one answer: We should cultivate the better angels of our nature because the God we love and respect requires it. While many of us fall tragically short, the ideal remains which so eagerly display in your ad hominem. Read this: Atheism provides no answer to this dilemma whatsoever.
Sorry nothing what soever. If you can’t accept the things that are supernatural you should not even express one bit about it whether it does exist or not. Because on hindsight it will only bite you in the butt when it would fall upon you one day and you could not even stand with your pride in front of you.
I have tried numerous times to talk to you in a reasonable manner, but you go off in the same tangents in every post over again and again. Same pattern same answer as before only in a variation of the theme. You are the one who is running in circles here and you can’t even see it. It is all what you have to say or philosophy or the high way. Maybe that works in your friend circles or atheist matey’s but not with my circle who have chosen this path to tread.
The problem with unbelievers and atheists is, It cannot reply: “Obey your evolutionary instincts” because those instincts are conflicted. “Respect your brain chemistry” or “follow your mental wiring” don’t seem very compelling either. It would be perfectly rational for someone to respond: “To hell with my wiring and your socialization, I’m going to do whatever I please.” C.S. Lewis put the argument this way: “When all that says ‘it is good’ has been debunked, what says ‘I want’ remains.”
You do that a lot and where do we arrive ? Same circle we have walked before. “There is no god, There is a God !”
It could very likely be that you don’t have an encounter with God’s Presence because of the Titanium plate you have in front of your skull is so immense thick that even God must have given up to penetrate on your stubbornness and self grandeur.
For your information, it is Ok to reject God or in your case in your thinking the “concept” of God. You pretend you are the strongest man on earth by relying upon that. However I know that I have seen people like you been pushed to the ground by the power of God after challenging Him, come and show yourself to me if you exist. It’s a funny spectacle to see. But of-course I want to mention that God does not push Himself on people if they just want to insist being a fool in all they have to say. However I am not worried about that that that will run it’s course.
Some people are very good at the self-centered exploitation of others. Many get away with it their whole lives, maybe even until they die, but many of them change their minds on their deathbed when push come to shove. By exercising the will to power, they are maximizing one element of their human nature and soulishness. In a purely material universe, what possible moral basis could exist to condemn them? Atheists can be good people but that is all in their own power; they just have no objective way to judge the conduct of those who are not. Nor will they get saved because of good deeds. Come to think about when you see George Carlin on a stage is just how a fool can move over a stage and be paid for it. Poor George Carlin. Lonely George Carlin needs an audience to be accepted by society. Not so for a true christian, he can sit in his little room and be happy and have the greatest day of his or her life.
None of this amounts to proof of God’s existence in your eyes. But it clarifies a point of agreement which reveals an even deeper division between the both of us. This is acceptable by me. After all people chose their own path until they encounter God on that road. Atheists and theists seem to agree that human beings have an innate desire for morality and purpose. For the theist, this is perfectly understandable: We long for love, harmony and sympathy because we are intended by a Creator to find them. In a world without God, however, this desire for love and purpose is a cruel joke of nature imprinted by evolution, but destined for disappointment, just as we are destined for oblivion, on a planet that will be consumed by fire before the sun grows dim and cold. These are facts but not for you to entertain. I guess it is because you are “stuck”. huh. No flexibility. Sometimes it will break peoples necks when they continue their journey to nowhere.
This form of “liberation” is like liberating a plant from the soil or a whale from the ocean. In this kind of freedom, something dies. And it ain’t me. The fact that you don’t want to try out Faith, is very much preceived by me from your side of living in Fear, of what next ? How do I step out in that ? Haha, he does not even dare to put his toesies in the water and demonstrate his ignorance.
Now why would I attack UFO sightings ? They attack perfectly themselves by themselves.
I have explained that the Universe is created infinite and eternal. And yes there is a reason for that. Because God wants to show to humankind, in whatever they try to reach the edge of it, they will not. Is that not enough to cave in mankind’s pride ? What idiot wants to travel trillions of light-years and come out and old man or woman on the other side. That is just totally and completely nuts and hilarious at the same time. And no there will never be enough fuel or atomic energy to reach any of these planets in the next trillions of years if that would be so. UFO’s are manmade. Sorry. They reason you see them more is because there is the technology to let a round circular thing around everywhere they want. Also enough FX techology to let it look like as it is on any video. But you can’t FX a video when the Power of God comes upon a person in all it’s glory. I would say, why don’t you attend a charismatic meeting somewhere and experience it for yourself. Since you have told me you did not, is there any purpose of our discussion here ? Is it not much simpler to say, Yes and the other No ? If you refuse to try out what is set before you to sample why are you still refusing to do so ?
The facts are that God has recently been bathed in such crazy tributes from mindless followers like you are. An irreverent “trinity”, which exists of: Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins and they have sold a lot of books accusing theism of fostering hatred, repressing sexuality and mutilating children (Hitchens doesn’t approve of male circumcision). Every miracle is a fraud. Every mystic is a madman. And this atheism is presented as a war of liberation against centuries of spiritual tyranny according to them. How laughable. How have they changed the world, beside creating mindless drones that can’t think by themselves anymore because they parrot everything those three say and think when others write a counteract book it is flea bites ? What a super delusion of grandeur ! Because that is what it is.
Those things I mention here are the reality and what have they offered ? Absolutely nothing then being a laughing stock and dragging followers are self appointed messiah’s of Atheism. Maybe all three are quietly praying in their closet to God and giggle at the ignorance of others who follow them. A big fat mind full of crap is likely to impress when you connect a Dr’s or PhD title to it. It’s so funny.
In my bible it says: 1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 1 Corinthians 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Again an amazing thing that is written 2000 years ago and shows how silly many would be in the future to come. Very prophetic. hehe.
I am convinced and assured that this will be shown and manifested when the Ages of time will close and God will reveal Himself to all mankind (which is already happening) and every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Including you. Stalin shall bow, Mao Tse Toeng shall bow, Hitler shall bow, George Carlin shall bow, Richard Dawkins shall bow, as well the two others I mentioned.
The contrast is complete in each paradox: the foolish things (ta mōra), the wild men (tous sophous); the weak things (ta asthenē), the strong things (ta ischura); the things that are not (ta mē onta), and that are despised (ta exouthenēmena, considered nothing, perfect passive participle of exoutheneō), the things that are (ta onta). For me amazing that this is possible.
I am confident that this will happen to the entire world at large. It really does not matter whether you agree or disagree about this and you can of-course argue until you see blue in the face. haha.
The guy that burned bibles in his house, died a horrible death, the nurse said, her report was: “I never want to guide a dying person again who is atheist, it was horrible”. Where he burned the bibles in his house, is now the house where they are now distributing bibles out of it. How comical. If he only could see it.
That is why I can sing, It is well with my soul, it is well, it is well with my soul. And that why is for me important and greatly so. So why is important. Only not in your diary.
Question: Atheists, do the questions that you can’t answer ever bother you or make you doubt your belief which you confess in error without realizing you do err ?
Answer: Regarding my Faith, the only questions I can’t answer are because of errors in the question which are most of the time asked by Atheists in error. For example (in this question), there is no common belief of Faith held by all Atheists, only a lack of belief in Faith. And my, you need to have a lot of Faith to be believing Atheism in all it’s forms.
Where I may have used the terms athiesm by mistake instead of scientist that was incorrect, as athiesm and theism have nothing to do with science and a particular scientist could be either, but would be irrelevant to how they do science.
I do not think that it can be understated how much creationism is anti-intellectualism in a religious context. Creationism has a long history of attacking science, not just evolution but also astronomy, cosmology, chemistry and geology with equal fervor and prejudice.
Creationism once just preached literalistic interpretations of the bible, but now it seeks to undermine and suppress the science which contrasts such interpretations. Creationists want schools to teach creationism and creation “science” in place of real and substantiated science, and failing that want to “Teach the controversy” despite that being non-existent. These behaviors, those that deal with education and science, cannot be tolerated at all.
Creationism is no longer just exercising freedom of speech and religion, but now it is also exercising anti-intellectualism, the very thing that makes us better than medieval Europe. There are a few values that the west holds dear that are central to our freedoms and our success as a society.
Among them are the freedom of speech, the freedom of thought and the freedom of religion.
The Islamic empire held these values too, up until fundamentalists rose to power. Since then, the majority of Islamic nations have slipped into a dark age where prejudice and the restraint of freedoms are as bad as ever. This is the point of separating church and state. I’m no scholar on American history but from what I do understand, early America was the most secular society in the world and the founding fathers, being deists, knew that to have freedom of religion you needed freedom from religion, and the anti-intellectual persecution that lingers around it. (Happy to hear objections from those more scholarly on that history)
This is only one reason why we cannot let creationism or ID to be taught in schools, especially in science class, or let anti-intellectualist fundamentals rise to power. It would be the beginning of the end for western society.
It must be stressed that there is nothing wrong with religion in general, so long as it’s contributions to society are positive (charity and all that), but there is nothing positive about modern creationism encroaching on freethinking.
No matter what John tries to convince that it is elegant not to believe in a God and it would suit every person if he had his way. However I know this from God Himself.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity (spiritual), has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made (physical). So they are without excuse; for although they knew about God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools.
Just read the posts from John and you will see this is a fact in truth. Very prophetic as well. It is almost a self-fulfilling prophecy regarding him in execution. But he still has time to repent from it and accept Jesus as His Saviour and God as his spiritual Father. It only takes time that even science will crumble away in this world when they can’t give any solace, solutions and answers to the created problems which have come forward of abusing science in progress in the minds of those who are want to use science without the inclusion of God. Which will lead to ultimate disaster guaranteed.
To me Freethinking is fine within it’s boundaries of application and morality. However when there are no moral ethics connected to it as a foundation, it is evident that immorality is creeping in and eats away the fabric of society to a degree of completely collapsing under it’s weight.
There is no immoral country then America. Anything goes. Such Freethinking needs to be reigned in for the sake of the next generation who pays for the choice what their forefathers did and it is evident that this today is manifesting in any corner of life. After all creating things is something that a designer would lay into his or her student to practice so others can enjoy it.
I certainly feel that the “Freethinking” has overstepped it’s boundaries in all directions and is destroying the future of America and of any country that is connected to America. And it would be wrong to point the finger at religion as the culprit. I still believe if the essence of christian morals applied in sincerity this world would be a different place. If you look at the Wall Street Antics and other issues you simply can see enough that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The breakthroughs in science have certainly not contributed to an equal balance for the poor and the troubled one’s. Who have lost their job and house included. Maybe even dwell on the street now because of hurricanes, tsunamis and other natural disasters. Practicing Injustice and squandering the future is not justifying “Freethinking” here. It is well known that the poorest people live in America. How is this possible while it claims to be the richest country in the world.
Are we going to have another 300+ comments all to ourselves just like on the other discussion page?
kj said “No matter what John tries to convince that it is elegant not to believe in a God and it would suit every person if he had his way. However I know this from God Himself.”
God told me you are incorrect and he has 3 seconds left in his existence, so by the time I’ve finished this sentence he is no more. Respect this belief as god told me I’m right so I must be right. If you think that was silly you should try reading your own comments and comparing them to that.
It is not for you to judge what belief is elegant or not, and by doing so you’re only proving that you’re self-righteous and unwilling to listen to any other assertion.
kj said “But he still has time to repent from it and accept Jesus as His Saviour and God as his spiritual Father.”
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha, what you actually mean is believe the same as you or you’ll get angry. You have more chance of converting Dawkins, there’s not a chance in hell I will ever believe in god. If someone can prove god thru’ empircal evidence I would not deny a fact, as you are denying many scientific facts already.
“It only takes time that even science will crumble away in this world when they can’t give any solace, solutions and answers to the created problems which have come forward of abusing science in progress in the minds of those who are want to use science without the inclusion of God. Which will lead to ultimate disaster guaranteed. ”
You don’t understand science one bit, and you do a great disservice to those who have faith and also respect scientific facts in the process of their beliefs.
All I ask is for you to explain your contradictory beliefs without getting snarky, and you have decided not to, or that you are unable to, which is unsurprising.
“The breakthroughs in science have certainly not contributed to an equal balance for the poor and the troubled one’s.”
Mismanagement is not the same as bad intentions. But I wouldn’t expect a fundamentalist like you to think about problems deeper than blaming the first institution that came into your head. Any comment against science can equally be countered by explaining the frailties of living by belief. Are we to just trade these comments back and forwards forever, or would it be better to accept that you don’t have all the answers and accept a little humility on your part? Expecting us all to believe god is feed-dripping you the meaning of life is naive.
“Who have lost their job and house included. Maybe even dwell on the street now because of hurricanes, tsunamis and other natural disasters. Practicing Injustice and squandering the future is not justifying “Freethinking” here.”
Evidence of god, no it is not. If you were to argue a case for global consciousness meaning we’re all responsible for each other, you might actually have a case.
“It is well known that the poorest people live in America. How is this possible while it claims to be the richest country in the world.”
Silly question, and has nothing to do with religion or beliefs. Distribution of wealth is not directly proportional to the sum of the wealth of the wealthiest. Other factors change that distribution, and the amount of factors are enormous. For a start, your government doesn’t help the poor as much as they should, like they do in the UK. Democrats will help more than Republicans, and when Obama gets elected the wealth gap will most likely reduce.
Remember earlier how I said people ask questions about a particular subject, and when they get an answer they think “oh right!”. If you want answers to economic or political questions go study those subject areas, and don’t use your limited knowledge as a means of convincing people that a god is at work, as your indoctrination convinces the weak minded that you’re right, and it’s very sad that they fall into a trap of believing a nutcase. Here I refer to these faith healing sessions. In actual fact you are so clueless about most things, and lack any real authority to tell anyone what to believe, and you are certainly on the edge of a precipice leading to a complete delusional reality.
KJ you also forgot to answer my question from earlier, and as usual you side-step any difficult to counter points.
I ask it again.
Why did you god create all these galaxies, stars nebulae if they don’t contain life, apart from the Earth? Another question as well since you didn’t bother to answer the first one I’ll give you more to ponder. Why do nebulae form stars and planets and the abundant hydrogen fuse into heavier elements if god just put everything together like magic in the space of 7 days?
All the evidence points to large time scales and not the naive few thousand year time scale which is believed by many.
This time don’t evade the question kj. You will have to answer questions such as these to convince intellectuals that your beliefs are true. Stop being a religious zealot and be an intellectual for once on this forum, and that is a challenge for your mind which you should take up.
Another question or two is also relevant. Where did your god come from? Why did your god come into existence, and when was this? Come on, these should be easy if you have a direct communications with him. Maybe god cut you off when he realised you didn’t have much to say.
Billy I knew from the start that your question is one the world expects. This one may run and run as it makes people search into the furthest parts of their minds and hearts spiritually. No matter what I have seen I know by instinct that I have a Creator even if there is no visible form shown to us except by the way of the beauty of the planet and universe. The tantalizing evidence on Mars may be waiting for us. Jesus said.. my fathers house has many mansions..many galaxys or dimensions perhaps?
On a light-hearted note what about the question..which came first the chicked or the egg?
John, this question is been answered by Dr. Rhawn Joseph. I guess you did not sit out the video where it was perfectly explained those issues you fell over and now shuffle it in front of me.
Really, why don’t you be kind enough to tell us what he said. Since you actually believe it, it shouldn’t be too difficult for you to summarise his findings, without even referring to the video. Or are you just avoiding answering the difficult questions again? I thought so. You’re all the same, every single fundamentalist, ego-centric super-freaks.
Global warming is here and humans are “very likely” the blame and thus also the advances in science who are involved. So much for science and their progress. just a small price to pay when you see, increase in hurricane’s, typhoons, earthquakes, crop-failures, ozone layer been destroyed, Antarctica is breaking up, floods, increase of grasshoppers, forest fires, pollution, plastics,methane and carbon dioxide increase, sars, deforestation, mutants in the animal world, mutants in humans, nuclear waste, deformities in people, poisonings, biofuel crops destroy our environments, drug addiction ( anti depressant drugs is the single the largest industry that makes the most profits from Prozac, Xeroxat, Paxil, Benzodiazepines, Antipsychotics, etc etc.), increased cancer issues because exposed to smoking and other poisonous substances, waste fill places go to extremes and cause diseases never been seen before, acid rains, frustrations, annoyances, traffic jams, greed, aggression, handguns, war machinery, nuclear heads and dirty bombs, torture, grief, hacking of computers, viruses, speculations, money laundering, gangs, heroin and other hard-drugs, I can mention lots more of-course. I hope you get the point and it ain’t the true christians who are causing this. It is merely those who are unbelievers and don’t have any consciousness nor responsibility for what they are about to do. It are people who want progress without willing to pay the price for the consequences that they have created by using science as a cash-cow and to establish technical progress.
All because of Science, Science that is applied by people who have no scruples what they invented whether consciously or unconsciously freely or under force. I am not against scientific application for things when it would be done by true christians.
Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is TO THEM THAT PERISH foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Unbelievers are for example:
Pol Pot, 1.7 Million dead
Hitler, 17 million dead
Stalin, 20 million dead
Mao Tse Toeng, 40 million dead
All were Atheists. I have not met any Atheist that is not militant and defiant in their expressions and actions despite their moral claims for a better society and enviroment. What they excel in is being recalcitrant and setting up people against people with strive, deception, discord and aggression. I know what the source of all that is.
Just a simple example of it is Friedrich Nietzche and I quote:
God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
Self exaltation, Something that Satan proved in Isaiah 14 with I will, I will,
Here is something that you can chew upon. Can you give and example of a genetic mutation or and evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome, besides there is adaption in an environment where that species is ? Surely there must be a scientific explanation for that is it not ?
What you generally here, 13 billion years ago…… blah blah blah and so forth.
If the earth would be 13 billion years old from the perceptive of what ever technique you are using, carbon dating, hubble telescope, etc. etc time is not relevant in measuring it being 13 billions years because even this moment will slip away without coming back at anytime, unless you feel it is all deja vu. It cannot be measured by a clock that is displaying a law that we have instituted as finite and not by the standard God would set.
Why would Atheists Care about my Faith and the practice of it ? It seems to me that they are looking for someone to blame that has not done anything and I refer to the true christians who live according the bible. This means, Turn the other cheek when needed, not go to war, love your neighbor as yourself, forgive those who trespass against you, help the needy, rebuilt the way of life for those who are not capable themselves, be not partial, justice, proclaim morality as a duty and so forth.
It is evident that the above mentioned problems which have solely been created by the exercise of science in the wrong hands and those who are evil and selfish. Which is most of the people who are in this field. Most of science is for making money and lots of it at the expense of the patient or subject. If science was so interested helping mankind in the way they are doing now. You would not let someone take up the bill that no-one can pay privately. These are people who are going out for war, poison our planet, ruin healthy relationships between other people by being dictators, promote homosexuality which does not pro create in any way or form, practice things that are inexpressible between 4 walls, screaming and yelling on Youtube and everywhere for liberation of thoughts without thinking of the consequences if applied, deliberately create and release diseases in the air to destroy population, work in secret organizations as Free Masonry, Illuminati, Builderberg groups, Satanists, Witchcraft, Pagans etc. etc. They have only one agenda which is World Domination and Control in the name of progress, science and development at the expense of the weaker vessels without defense.
There are solutions produced by science to prevent global warming and even almost 100% efficient solar panels which will be along soon. It’s not science that you should blame, it’s the reptilian illuminati and politicians who have voted against funding for renewables, i.e. McCain who says drill now drill now lol
Hitler wasn’t athiest and even if you try and associate all of the human attrocities to non-believers, I could easily do the same and blame religion for just as many deaths. Do some research and stop believing fundamentalist propaganda, because Hitler and at least 80% of the Nazi’s were actually christians.
You avoid answering the questions again, and instead attack science thru’ anti-intellectualism. You attack science for not answering everything, yet science never claims to answer everything, and a lot of the things you’ve asked are being researched right now thru’ various experiments that I don’t understand, so I wouldn’t expect you to understand them either. Don’t forget you claim absolute knowledge and whenever you ask for it god drip feeds you knowledge. You have absolutely no knowledge apart from your own ego-centric views, and you wince at the thought of anyone else disagreeing.
You are boring kj. I gave you a chance to explain in a clear manner, yet you throw mindless chunks of irrelevant comments that don’t connect together in the way you think it does. You cannot know what the intentions each and every scientist, and each and every political leader in the world. So you have no right to make any supposed judgements. So goodbye.
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If Hitler was a christian then why did he go out of the way to kill 6 million Jews among others. That is verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry christian I must say. I think you only look what title thy can glue to their lifestyle and then you justify it, oh they must be christian. Have I not explained that being a christian is not what Hitler did.
I have answered your questions, you just don’t read it, you must be skipping trough it.
It is because of scientific breakthroughs and application that we are in this mess in the first place. Get the records right. Don’t pretend as if now science has a solution for climate change, because they have not. The tendency of people are simply destructive those who live without a God consciousness and morals and being a unbeliever and atheist is not it. It’s a fact. Don’t be so ridiculous.
Nowhere I claimed all knowing knowledge, stop taking things out of contents and start to get living in your reality, which you clearly don’t do.
If you feel that my so called “attacking” science is giving your heartache, then be the first person to tell me what you are going to do after you have finished study and what your contribution is for this world.
I don’t whine of “everyone” disagreeing, I just placed the facts there and you are disagreeing. Those were facts, they are empirical measured and seen by the naked eye. I guess you close your eyes deliberately from it so you can poke at me for it that I am right.
@ John,
You said: “There are solutions produced by science to prevent global warming and even almost 100% efficient solar panels which will be along soon. It’s not science that you should blame, it’s the reptilian illuminati and politicians who have voted against funding for renewables, i.e. McCain who says drill now drill now ”
What a load of crock, many governments are making people compulsory to do their bit of recycling and conserve resources. I guess you were on planet Pluto when they brought that to the UK and all over the world. It is already known that within five years from now the UK is going to suffer because of resource issues. The UK has no resources they are solely depended upon oil. When the flow stops, the entire country grinds to a halt in every sector.
The illuminati are NOT reptilians, another crock of David Icke, Wes Penre and others. He and them are madmen going around making money like Blossom Goodchild from speeches and books they write. All they do is make us live in paranoia, while the real crooks are just ordinary people involved in groups with a wicked scheme to control the masses. The American government has said it several times openly in diverse quotes. J. F. Kennedy was one of the first to bring it to the open of how they are operating, for this reason he was assassinated. There are no pictures of reptilian shapeshifting humans. It’s is absolute bonkers and deluded to think such a idiotic mindset.
Having Faith and move in the supernatural is healthy and does not come with unreachable goals of reptilian shapeshifters, UFO’s, IFO’s and other mind boggling foolishness.
Again I have to say, I have never seen an UFO from close up with the doors open then Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
It will never happen, EVER !
I am boring huh, of-course I am boring whenever you are been pushed with your face with the facts of things that are happening around us where you are blatantly blind for. That is your problem. Sounds like a drug addict. Them live also on cloud 9 which injected in their eye-balls with comordid stuff that makes them float away from reality.
Everytime you prove you are not living in the here and now. You only live with the goals of one day I will change the world. With what ? Astrophysics ? The leech that is sucking out funds for looking into space hoping one day to reach the edge of it ? This will never happen. I have explained to you that the Universe is Eternal and Infinite. You were not paying attention whatsoever. You just keep rambling over it by bring forward accusations as I am to blame as the world is today.
Tell me how can you categorize me in Religion that has nothing to do with me as a practicing follower of Jesus Christ ?
Did I go out, destroying peoples lives, did I poison them, did I inject them with drugs to keep them quiet, did I drop bombs on their yard, did I……. etc etc.
None of that I have been doing, yet you call me “extremist”!!!!!
One of my duties and application is charity and preaching the gospel undiluted as I am taught by the Holy Spirit and the Bible. It’s my calling and that is what I do. Yet you can’t see that as a worthy cause to follow. No problem. It’s your problem. How do you know that what I do is not good for others ? Did you call the authorities and ask them what I do in my professional and private time ? Assumptions and more assumptions. Even hogwash. You don’t know squat about me, then me writing here what my life is all about. You whine about it, that if I am doing as I write, it’s no good. Another load of crock. I do what I can in my capacity and what I think is just.
You instead you are aspirant student, (so you say). Don’t have a job or maybe working for McDonalds to pay for your Uni study. You are a liability to society so far, you have not contributed zilch with your brouhaha here online then chatting round in circles about the same issues we started with. I have moved on and shown you amazing things what is out there. This was as well positive and negative. Aka Reality. You instead have shown zilch, nada, niks, noppes and theories.
Why don’t you go off to the third world and start to save children with your so called science project.
Today, over 26,500 children died around the world and you are still piping things how great it is science. If science was so interested in applying science then there is a big field out there to go and apply for it. But there is no money for it over there and there is no oil, gold, diamonds and the like to scrape countries empty to appease their greed.
How often you see countries only getting into gear to rescue those resources when these resources are in danger of stopping the world economy from not been able to exploit them. But when Rwanda was in civil war you did not see anyone running over there to sort it all out. Or even Zimbabwe. Science, Science. Have we progressed yet ? You are complete ignorant what is happening outside there.
One thing about my God is. God made everything for free, but evil people must and shall make a system of unfairness and greed for exalt themselves in their own environment of bragging how great they are. While they are little tiny hearts when they would be stripped off of their possessions and conveniences, the true christian relies upon God for supernatural manifestation which does happen by Faith. What the world has shown me that the aggressive application of their false ideology of following the path of science as their guru, it only has resulted into numerous disasters. You are the one that is boring, because you don’t have a solution while I do. And that way is pointing towards the God that I serve and nowhere else. One thing I know for sure: Incline not my heart to any evil thing, to practise wicked works with men that work iniquity: and let me not eat of their dainties. And the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
When are you going to stop cracking bull over these forums and elsewhere, John. Because you ain’t for real. You live in Cuckoo land.
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The continuation of this suffering and loss of life contravenes the natural human instinct and science to help in times of disaster. Imagine the horror of the world if a major earthquake were to occur and people stood by and watched without assisting the survivors! Yet every day, the equivalent of a major earthquake killing over 30,000 young children occurs to a disturbingly muted response. They die quietly in some of the poorest villages on earth, far removed from the scrutiny and the conscience of the world. Being meek and weak in life makes these dying multitudes even more invisible in death.
And stop telling about the drivel of your “global consciousness awareness”, they do squat while squandering trillions of dollars and other monies with gambling and other garbage practices what most of the people do who are involved in science. Yet oppresses and tortures the true christian of not been real or so called “delusional” acts of charity in their faith practices. Fact !
So you’re saying everyone who claims to be a christian and murders must not be a true christian. How convenient! But yet you say the reason for non-believers to murder others is because of their non-belief. Haha, look at your assertion again, and tell me not to laugh. Both are wildly incorrect. You can’t determine what Hitler believed exactly, but it’s true that we know he believed in god and called himself a christian, and 80% of nazi’s did as well. You people discard believers almost as much as you try and welcome them to the flock of sheep you have worshipping. Always plenty of space in the field for you lot to graze. Don’t worry more people are starting to realise how silly they were and become critical thinkers, so soon you’ll have the whole field of grass to munch on yourself!
“It is because of scientific breakthroughs and application that we are in this mess in the first place.”
Science is not inheritently evil, it’s human nature that uses technology for bad stuff. Blame the gun or the killer? So much **** has gone on in the name of religion, and not one religion is better than another, they are all the same.
“Get the records right. Don’t pretend as if now science has a solution for climate change, because they have not.”
Whaaaatt!!! We have the technology to prevent further climate change, it’s just the will of those who wish to make money from drilling more oil that prevents this. Electric car investment should have begun in the 1970s. You get mixed up between a process and causes.
“The tendency of people are simply destructive those who live without a God consciousness and morals and being a unbeliever and atheist is not it.”
I know many people who do just fine without a god, and I know people who are ******* up because they believe in god, go figure!
“It’s a fact. Don’t be so ridiculous.”
You don’t speak facts, only absolute dog ****
“Nowhere I claimed all knowing knowledge, stop taking things out of contents and start to get living in your reality, which you clearly don’t do.”
So therefore you admit you don’t know everything, and thus you can be wrong. You just admitted that here and now!!!
“If you feel that my so called “attacking” science is giving your heartache, then be the first person to tell me what you are going to do after you have finished study and what your contribution is for this world.”
More than reading from a bible will ever do. I have no problem with any belief, only the encroachment beyond reality that deservedly causes resentment towards extremists. You still don’t understand that your attacking of science does not hurt me, only yourself and your own mind. Science is not just one or many persons, it’s a collection of knowledge that remains fact whether you like that or not.
“I don’t whine of “everyone” disagreeing, I just placed the facts there and you are disagreeing.”
That’s not what happened. I said I respect all beliefs and some of those beliefs have been explained well by those particular believers, whilst others haven’t. The latter being religion, and since you are calling a belief fact, I said you could be wrong, and just earlier you have admitted that you don’t have absolute truth, and therefore proved my earlier assertion that you could be wrong. I’ve even given you many chances to explain your beliefs clearly to make me see your reasoning, but you fail to do so, and pretend that you have answered any question I put forth. Since you still continue to disagree and claim to be speaking of facts rather than only a belief, you will probably never stop until everyone submits to your belief. Therefore I am right in calling you a fundamentalist and extremist, and I was also correct in calling you boring as you are not adding anything of value to support your claim. By listing all the problems with humanity, and then associating that with all with science alone, and then using that as evidence of god is wishful thinking. That is not how proper logic works, if you start with a premise that cannot be proven, you discard it. You don’t attempt to make the evidence fit the premise in whatever twisted way you can. And don’t tell me it’s a matter of interpretation because it’s not, there’s only one logical approach to proof, that is unless you’ve lost your mind!
“Those were facts, they are empirical measured and seen by the naked eye. I guess you close your eyes deliberately from it so you can poke at me for it that I am right.”
You don’t understand empirical measurements, and you would associate a hallucination with something extraordinary. I should close my ears to you as you’re boring, not at all clever in your approach, and any last bit of entertainment has depleted itself by your admittance to not having knowledge of everything.
It’s no good saying you know all there is of a particular item, object or person, but yet admitting you don’t know everything that’s linked to that object that’s relevant to your claim, as it’s highly likely that a new unknown linkage between them may change your original interpretation. Especially when you talk of personal experiences that you witness yourself, and yet nobody else sees it. You say to yourself “why isn’t anyone else seeing this.” Maybe it wasn’t actually there to see!
I think my work here is done. I have utterly removed any slight shred of credibility you did have remaining, and left you jaded questioning your beliefs! Which is good! Never stop looking for answers, always keep looking, and those beliefs remain a constant source of nourishment on which to discover new knowledge. The frontiers of scientific knowledge will always be updated, and our beliefs either be possibly a little bit ahead of this, or wildly incorrect. And a little bit of advice for you, if you really think alien contact will never happen. Just to let you know, that it absolutely could happen one day, and don’t scare them away accusing them of being evil. And some advice to other people, don’t bother trying to have any type of meaningful conversation with KJ, as he’s not here for that. Don’t we call that trolling?! Yep, KJ is “the” troll to beat all trolls. LOL
“The illuminati are NOT reptilians,”
ps. That was a joke. But don’t you think Bush looks like a reptile.
You list so many problems that I don’t see religion fixing anytime soon either. Science itself is a large knowledge base, and is not wholly responsible for any of these problems, and not one individual is responsible for fixing all the world’s problems either. Just do what you can, and stop crying over the rest, as there’s nothing you can do about it.
Definition of extremist which applies to you : “a person who holds extreme views”
There are many varying kinds of extremists, but nevertheless you do hold extreme views that most would disagree to hold any weight as fact whatsoever.
If you want to read anymore from me keeping reading the last long comment I wrote, as it will be the last. This time I don’t see any need to listen to you anymore, as you’ve already admitted your deception.
@ John,
No, Bush does not look like a reptile. He is a “christian”. Not my words.
“Someone” has to have certain direct views to counteract the lunacy that is out there in many. I am available for being that “someone” and I have paid my price for it and it is worth it. Even though it has cost me everything. It’s still worthwhile.
@ John,
You said: “If you want to read anymore from me keeping reading the last long comment I wrote, as it will be the last. This time I don’t see any need to listen to you anymore, as you’ve already admitted your deception.”
My so called “deception” is: Jesus is Lord ! I can live with that as well others can. It’s the greatest thing that has overcome me. Lock, stock and barrel. People like me you can’t buy, they stand for what they are saying. Even if I have to die for it. I made that commitment. I am totally happy with it.
Nice place to go for you John, you can scream and yell your head off about science.
http://www.premier.org.uk/features/st%20pauls%20seeking%20truth?gclid=CP_N-s-K0JYCFQXK1Aod-zVm2w
Haha, you’re not constructive and you’re inconclusive
“Bush does not look like a reptile. He is a “christian”. Not my words.”
I’m not surprised, he is a fool after all. Would you discard him from your cult if he nuked Iran and murdered millions of civilians.
And no thanks, I don’t preach science I only practice it. I’ll leave the preaching to you nutjobs and I won’t go on an extremist website or enter an extremist place of worship for the sake of my sanity.
It is a fact that the majority that believe in god are either of a lower intelligence and/or have lower levels of education.
“My so called “deception” is: Jesus is Lord !
Nah your deception is admitting not having knowledge of absolute truth, yet preaching your beliefs as facts.
“Even if I have to die for it. I made that commitment. I am totally happy with it.”
Hmmm sounds extremely extremist to me, and you have a sound basis on which to become a full fledged extremist. Don’t be downloading terrorist manuals now will you.
These are all words you’ve said and being your downfall. Gracefully disappear or continue to ply your delusion, doesn’t matter to me.
@ John,
FYI I never endorsed Bush, I know what his granddad Prescott did in Harriman Bank and I know what my father went through in WWII because of that.
@ Richard or the pretending Richard,
Sorry RIchard, IQ was 129 after testing, I hated it that I could not score 130 and over. I was interested to be listed in the MENSA. But with it or without it, it really does not matter.
@ John,
There will never be a time in my lifetime, that I will strap dynamite on my chest to make my Faith known to the world as a martyr.
It seems that Richard Dawkins is an “extremist” too, he does nothing then tearing down religion and believers in God as well John is doing. Who do they think they are ? Comes over just as “extremist” as well. he can be so wrong as well will be written in the future somewhere one day. No true christian tears down Atheists, Atheists just cannot believe, what they believe. And science cannot be god either, even how hard they try, it will never succeed. God was already God before science came along.
I have not fallen anywhere, I am sitting on a chair and typing a keyboard on a UFO website in a UK country. Why would I disappear for ? If I disappear is that I am soon going to travel again to endorse my “delusional” acts of ministry for what I am called for. So if ya miss me, I am busy doing charity and helping others. So if you excuse me for that. The world needs my help and I am available.
Piss off then
Whenever I am ready. Not when you want it.
Funny, I can’t post a post about facts. Billy is biased and does not want to hear the real facts.
KJ, your lies and deceitfulness continues. Yes it’s a fact that most “believers” have a worse education. I don’t remember anyone saying you were one of those directly.
You pick and choose who belongs in your cult depending on their crimes or crimes in future means they can be removed, and then you attempt to distance yourself from endorsement of those cult members even though you seem to think you can determine who are actual real members and kick ‘em out at will.
“There will never be a time in my lifetime, that I will strap dynamite on my chest to make my Faith known to the world as a martyr.”
Who said that??? I’m sure fundamentalist christians will find their own way of harming people just because they dis-believe. Oops I forgot, they do already by shouting that we’re all going to hell. If only harm by annoyance. What’s next?!
“It seems that Richard Dawkins is an “extremist” too, he does nothing then tearing down religion and believers in God as well John is doing.”
I think you’ll find that my views are not considered extreme relating to any belief whatsoever. It’s actually normal to want to see some kind of proof or at least explanation of someone’s belief before just willing accepting it off-hand. Religions don’t have a backbone and Dawkins is not tearing down, he’s just letting the wind destroy it by opening the door of common sense. I don’t say to not believe in god, I only want people to accept that a proper explanation and evidence is required before considered it fact.
“Who do they think they are ?”
Oh dear getting angry because we don’t become indoctrinated. Everyone believes what they wish, just accept that, and accept that you could be wrong. I am a rational person if you want an accurate description.
“”Comes over just as “extremist” as well. he can be so wrong as well will be written in the future somewhere one day.”
Do you have visions of the future now!? I think he has already gone down in history as a great evolutionary biologist. Check out his wikipedia page it’s has loads of acheivements.
“No true christian tears down Atheists,”
Hahahahahahahahahaha they all can’t stand anyone disagreeing with them. They attack everyone else including athiests, scientists and other religions. In fact people who believe in aliens get attacked by you regularly just because they suggested they saw a ufo. Please stop being a hypocrite. And stop associating the word athiesm with science as they are not interchangable. Athiesm and beliefs are irrelevant to science.
“Atheists just cannot believe, what they believe.”
Because they don’t want to believe? Duh, we all have a choice to believe in what we want or not to believe. Just get it, because not all of us want your jesus ******* christ. All attacks by athiests by argument towards religions are usually only a backlash due to the ignorance of religion, and so is deserved.
“And science cannot be god either, even how hard they try, it will never succeed. God was already God before science came along.”
god is irrelevant to science now, and probably always will be. You’re just angry or upset because I proved you were deceiving everyone.
“Why would I disappear for ? If I disappear is that I am soon going to travel again to endorse my “delusional” acts of ministry for what I am called for.”
Sounds like a comical Ali quote.
“So if ya miss me, I am busy doing charity and helping others. So if you excuse me for that. The world needs my help and I am available.”
Excellent, I’m sure you’d enjoy it more than trolling.
There’s no such thing as real facts.
There are only facts, and there’s false information, and then there’s unproven beliefs.
What you call real facts is probably false information. But I would like to see this “false information” for a laugh!
Fact-sheet of Facts.
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Ignoring facts is nothing new. Nothing new, but it bears repeating. The way to do investigative journalism is to ignore facts. Lawyers have been known to ignore facts. Have you decided to ignore facts? Of course we already know to ignore facts that are not relevant. What do we call it, when scientists choose to ignore facts that are crucial? Ignoring facts on one side. Ignoring facts on purpose. Ignoring facts on AIDS. Ignoring facts about Communism. About a close neighboring country. About misappropriated public money.
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@ John,
“There are only facts, and there’s false information, and then there’s ……………unproven beliefs.
@ John,
Post did no come through. I am trying again.
“There are only facts, and there’s false information, and then there’s ……………unproven beliefs.
Fact in your case is. If you say it long enough in your faculties you will believe it is the Truth. The last “unproven beliefs” is no fact and has not been proven to be a fact or truth.
Well, of course, it is tempting for people to go for something like, “That the wheel, agriculture, and the Macarena were all actually invented by Yetis.” Or to do the sophomoric pseudo-ironic logic twist of, “That every truth and facts can eventually be proven.” Or to get up my hackles, draw up to my full height and intone, “Sir, WE scientists believe in nothing that cannot be proven by the whetstone of science and facts, verily our faith is our lack of faith,” and then go off in a lab coat and a huff.
Mawhahahahahahahaha.
Watch this:
Numbers that are exact powers of two are 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128 and so on. Numbers that are exact powers of five are 5, 25, 125, 625 and so on. Given any number such as 131072 (which happens to be a power of two), the reverse of it is 270131, with the same digits taken in the opposite order. Now my statement is: it never happens that the reverse of a power of two is a power of five.
The digits in a big power of two seem to occur in a random way without any regular pattern. If it ever happened that the reverse of a power of two was a power of five, this would be an unlikely accident, and the chance of it happening grows rapidly smaller as the numbers grow bigger. If we assume that the digits occur at random, then the chance of the accident happening for any power of two greater than a billion is less than one in a billion. It is easy to check that it does not happen for powers of two smaller than a billion. So the chance that it ever happens at all is less than one in a billion. That is why I believe the statement is true.
But the assumption that digits in a big power of two occur at random also implies that the statement is unprovable. Any proof of the statement would have to be based on some non-random property of the digits. The assumption of randomness means that the statement is true just because the odds are in its favor. It cannot be proved because there is no deep mathematical reason why it has to be true. (Note for experts: this argument does not work if we use powers of three instead of powers of five. In that case the statement is easy to prove because the reverse of a number divisible by three is also divisible by three. Divisibility by three happens to be a non-random property of the digits).
It is easy to find other examples of statements that are likely to be true but unprovable. The essential trick is to find an infinite sequence of events, each of which might happen by accident, but with a small total probability for even one of them happening. Then the statement that none of the events ever happens is probably true but cannot be proved.
Now ain’t that super !!!!!!!!!!!
FACTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Duh !
You know what a history fact is, John ? Just read this carefully and think about it.
In the gruesome history of the twentieth century, I see some evidence of progress in religion instead of science. The two individuals who epitomized the evils of our century, Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin, were both avowed atheists. I don’t care if you think Adolf was a “christian”. Christian means christian values and those applied and not being a dictator and killing whatever needs to be done. Religion cannot be held responsible for their atrocities. And the three individuals who epitomized the good, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Mother Teresa, were all in their different ways religious. One of the great but less famous heroes of World War Two was Andre Trocme, the Protestant pastor of the village of Le Chambon sur Lignon in France, which sheltered and saved the lives of five thousand Jews under the noses of the Gestapo. Forty years later Pierre Sauvage, one of the Jews who was saved, recorded the story of the village in a magnificent documentary film with the title, “Weapons of the Spirit”. Maybe you should hire it and watch it. The villagers proved that civil disobedience and passive resistance could be effective weapons, even against Hitler. Their religion gave them the courage and the discipline to stand firm. Progress in religion means that, as time goes on, religion more and more takes the side of the victims against the oppressors.
People like Dawkins, Hitchens, etc etc are oppressors of religion and faith. They go out of the way to destroy it. Even set up organizations like Atheist Alliance International and become a Gestapo like institution to destroy the fabric of society with the ludicrous claims they pursue and produce in their evil quests to behave like Hitler and Stalin did. Facts. They have no interest in society at large then to break away the morals that are instituted by christian foundations which are good for society if applied to a tee. But the lukewarmness and laid-back attitude of many christians who water down their convictions with tripe and inane matters of what they are distracted with are the cause of this all. True christianity as the bible prescribes without having an own interpretation is proven to be an advantage. Nowhere it has been proven that an scientist/atheist has been proven an advantage for anyone then distorting the fabric of society and the future at large as it is in it’s present setting. Even if they believe they do, it is not a fact nor truth. I refer to my former post up here where I listed what science has on their consciousness. This excludes the science applications that has been applied for the benefit of people and had an “advantage” with it. “Advantage” can be debated where applicable.
All in the name of Science….. and the progress of advancement. Religion has nothing to do with this. Nothing.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5yEGc5fr_vk&feature=related
Wake up !
*yawn*
how many feline creeps practice their dirty poor imagination on their helpless people, that helpless people live in Darkness, they have keen desire to freedom too, UN does not take its Rule because it represents that vicious thieves not their helpless people, that criminals should be quarantine, they could infect Ur children, don’t judge by appearances they are very bad deep inside, their jackets are stolen from poor people, that thieves made their people live in conditions that are inhuman, but how could whom lost their substantive rights think about freedom, they’re struggle for existence, how could western countries welcome that criminals whom murdered and torture innocent people “unjustified killing”, Laws in the underdevelopment countries are not enforced and crimes are committed with impunity, some of them delight by torturing the innocent humans, unbelievable but this is really exist, they killing innocent humans then go to the west and talk about civilization, freedom and democracy, what is this hypocrisy! that helpless people reach their hands they need help, how could western countries accept impure money from thieves, they put stolen money in the western banks “poor people money”, I don’t think the west needs dirty money,
Ur brothers and sisters in humanity suffering, don’t look to their appearances, skin color, they are humans like us, suffering from that vicious creeps, inhuman tyrant,
yeah Ur forefathers suffered for Ur freedom, but these tyrants don’t know except killing and torture, ignorance is big problem even they don’t know what I’ve mentioned above, try to help them,
you’ll not believe this: they built dirty environment to live in “corruption, bribery, pimps, telltales,thieves,,,”, its the best environment for creeps, why? because pribees, thieves, pimps,,, are cowards,,,, they could sell their children in straiten circumstances,,,,,,,, they are the best for big creeps,,,,,,,,,, by the why the creeps don’t understand whats mentioned above, but what do you think such creeps could do, “dirty environments”.
when that creeps inter ur Land tell that thieves you are shame on mankind, tell that ignorants you are nothing without humanity, tell them what is make us humans is our humanity, tell them money will not make you humans.
humanitarian organizations workers are the heart beat of humanity, why do you think they subject themselves to risk, how many of them died for their Principles, we’ve to support them they are great Humans, we’ve to tell their families they are the source of our pride, ask whom still alive, whey you attend humanitarian organizations, maybe you could get something,
humanitarian organizations and whom care about environmental issues are trying to secure ur children future, they deserve more respect.
sorry it’s not our point, but I think it’s useless: the issue of aliens needs more advanced science, and mind “improve our way of thinking first of all”.
I have just seen that the Pope is in a scientific meeting. Behind closed doors they will discuss with physcist Steven Hawkings and others about evolution of the Universe and of Life. The Pope knows that Science is the pursuit of all Gods creation.(Reuters)
Mournan, has anyone ever told you that you speak in riddles?
@ kj1 wants to take @ john in,he is trying to cover something, this is “kj nonsense text” not arguing.
take more riddles…..
why some people stalwart believers in Religion, superstition, black magic,,, they don’t differ intelligence from malice, verily almost mankind didn’t.
Specially about black magic, this nomads have strong believe in this where is this from! I know there level of thinking, so where from, there is something abnormal,
I still remember this story written in one of the newspapers: teenage girl, died because of suffering of abnormal malfunction of her vital organs, and other abnormal symptoms in medicine, her body found out of tomb after one night of her body burial, not only this, some of her vital organs not exist!
at that time I was not believe in such things absolutely, I believe only in science I thought its not ruled by science,
now I made sure that the slaves took her body organs to hunt another victims for the aliens, proving this very easy you can make research in such societies, ask in US about voodoo ,,,, ask about whats happening in other societies.
whats make us a real humans is our humanity + science.
they want to go to paradise! but what about deep inside shouldn’t be clean first! greedy! stupidity!
hypocrisy! could their Religion clean it?
I was wondering where from they got these characters “malice, archness”? later I made sure they acquired these characters from their parents unknowingly and unwillingly “semi-humans”,,,,,,,
Mr. John thank you, I got you, I think you can excuse me, bye.
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*- the source of almost Religions and black magic is aliens, look at the old history of both of them and ue ur mind.
*- its provable.
*- yeah black magic indicates ignorance to somehumans, this is not true, thereof the aliens used mankind from long time ago, these feelings like its disgusting matter or this is kind of ignorance,,,,,
they are built in characters, for instance look to Grammar: you will not accept this phrase: I’ll go to cinema yesterday, do you know why no one taught you about Grammar its built in, you know the past, present and the future, space, time, speed,,,, are already built in Ur brain,,,,, the concept of good and evil the concept of clean and dirty too,,,, why because we need all these characters to survive its essential for mankind “these characters are peculiar to humans only”, but the aliens knew these human characters, thereon used it for their interests, (hunting) its a matter of business the concept of good and evil,,,, to those aliens has no meaning, therefor the aliens used them “human characters” for their advantage like Religion and black magic…
those alien can’t hurt or get into human body without black magic and Religion because what you called it soul already protect human body.
We have to close that gate to protect our kind, I need Ur help, we can tackle this problem, till the day of reckoning, future generation will tackle it themselves, we need more advanced science, we need more humanity,
*- Mankind is the most intelligent beings in this universe, but we still don’t know how to use our mind the right way, by the way Mass and energy are the very same, its a matter of speed then time,,,,,,
you’ve noticed how many time I’ve mentioned black magic its not a matter of joke its really exit it will endanger future generation life, we’ve to protect our kind, I don’t to panic any one, we can solve this problem, this world is govern by its rules life is not that easy.
by the way this is not a fixed idea, all I’ve mentioned is correct,,,
by the way I don’t like to talk about such things but I’ve to, I’ve to protect future generations,
you can see all I’ve mentioned fits all the facts…
this is all I can do, I can’t talk anymore, future generations are ur kind too, I did my best, what can I do else, this is all I can do, what you are call them aliens are very danger, I do not speak in riddles, any human of wise and conscious can understand me, I’ve to protect them……………..how you think I can’t talk anymore…………………….
I was an atheist until i reseached about Islam. Once I interpeted every verse of the Quran i discovered the following messages:
1- The universe was created from a single point
2- The universe is still expanding
3- The creations of worlds known & unknown to mankind
4- The total number of the word “water” divided by the total number of the word “earth” in the quran gives you the total ratio of land/ocean discovered recently in modern science
5- The mountains were created to hold the earth from shaking (to prevent earthquakes)
6- The sky is endless and the worlds are endless
7- Judgement day will fall on people of the world and people of the heavens and all will be judged infront of God
the list goes on…interesting stuff? do your research….or search quran miracles in youtube
God will reveal all about science, aliens etc.
God created science, he is the master of science. We humans with our little minds (when compared to GOD/JESUS) think we know every thing and that is why we argue so much, our ignorance of creation has made us so angry, and we will remain ignorant and angry because we are not Gods. God created everything including aliens, science etc. and the knowledge we have is so minute when compared to the knowledge of GOD. We as humans have not even scratch the surface of the knowledge out there.
comment (207) belongs to Jackal, he wants to misguide you.
if indeed UN officials declare teh factual existance and subsequent contact with aliens it only makes my believe in a mighty God stronger not weaker… it isnt a secret that religion and religious leader have since the beginning serve their own interest in misinforming mankind just about anything and everything… one has to make a clear distintion between religion and God.!!!!
Hi I would like to offer this observation Given that we are the result of life’s experiments, and possibly of cosmic origin, given that the universe is eternal and boundless, This would mean that mankind is of an Infinite age Forword and reverse. I believe we are an integral part of LIFE in ALL its diversities, and that we hold no special import for LIFE other than that which we give to ourselves. I have so much more to say for those who would listen. vkj
hello Mr. John are you still there?! what about Mr. Moran? I made alot of researchs about Time, from 2 years ago there were only few site, I’ve read all of them, almost of them were about relativity and Quantum theories, now there is a huge number of sites, talking about Time, do you think Humans became smart suddenly!!! everyone wants to be the hero, I wish that.
Viva Mankind Viva real Humans only.
religion is responsible for most of the population problems pshychologicaly and otherwise, any and everything can be tied back to a religious belief either coming from repression and or the lack of morality, religion=morally bankrupt non sensical trash, look at the bases of all the problems in the world and they can be followed back to religion, which is why the depression rate and pshychological disorders are running ramped these days taking over clearical thinking to turn people into robotic emotionally raped sheep deluted and delusioned into thinking what thay doing is okay
The idea of punishment and reward “rivers of honey and wine,” and the method of prayer, fasting, pilgrimage,,,, and alms, in Quran “Muslim Book” its source is Ancient Egyptian religious System, the Pharaohs from thousands of years ago that had been no disclosure of those secrets short time ago “Rosetta Stone”, also using Ancient Egyptian religious language into Arabic language “Quranic language”, there are secrets of the transfering of these historic secrets, there are intelligent aliens behind transfering that secrets, to build a new religion “Islam”, O Semi-humans those lived 1500 years ago are more stupid than you “Nomads”, proving all these is very easy, only whats deep inside is more worse than your stupidity.
Strange thing is that there are Nations talking about human civilization only they don’t realize thier bitter reality, odds and impure, hypocrites trying to illegal gain “they like gain without pain” with Villenage and acquired the same characteristics of irrational animals, the psychological characteristics of dirty animal is not worthy of human beings its low, the strangest thing is the severity of seeking for paradise, it is a case of hypocrisy, psychological characteristics of irrational animals transfered to semi-intelligent human beings then to their children, there is something dirty in their hearts and seek deterioration of the humankind the more strange thing is that they don’t realize whats mentioned above, they are worse, dirty semi-humans took control of their society using irrational animal Malice,I may respect irrational animal malice cause they have no other way but mankind has intelligence so its shame. they’ve to learn how to respect their children instead of hypocracy, even irrational animals respect their children and protect them, trying to secure their future. oh semi-humans first of all you should respect ur children and science instead of being hypocrites even they are not up to irrational animals its Unreasonable.
Ok my opinion on this is that religious people, before you go and say “God created all”, Prove it first before you say that. You sound like you wont accept anything else even if facts were shown to you. I do have respect towards religion, I understand it works as a guide to many, but to argue it without facts is just plain ignorant. I’ve always had some kind of faith and believed in a higher power though I believe I DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE IT NAME (example : Jesus, God, etc.) because simply I dont know what it is. And Ive spoken with many christian believers and all they said to me was ” all you can do is trust God and accept Jesus” which I didnt find to be a educated response to my belief. Its a FACT that there are other life forms out there, it is a FACT that the bible was created by man and simply evolve as humans do, its a FACT that the US government is keeping something from us that has to do with extraterrestrials. So when you look at these facts, and see how much closer we get to uncovering the truth, research your religion completely and THINK. For example when Moses walked through the desert for 40 days and 40 nights, in the early bible it states that Moses was guided by 2 circluar objects in the sky at night. Doesnt that make you think at all? How about a man referred to as Prophet Yahweh who has summoned a ufo on tv. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcQtVVpPxjY
He was praying in hebrew and it appeared. So with all this evidence wouldnt you want to learn more about YOUR religion. I dont know but for me theres a connection. But if youre too close minded to try to see the big picture thats your problem. I do believe that we’re all here for a reason. Some of us are meant to die, some of us are meant to reproduce, some of us are meant to advance as humans do, and some of us probably arent even from this planet. Who knows? right