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Alien Beings Not the Children of Adam and Eve

By November 26, 2008

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I found a short article on the Internet that brings up a good question that I think our readers might want to think about. It is called "How Would Creationists Justify the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life?" The key to the question is that the writer is assuming that if life outside of our planet was discovered, the beings would not look like humans, in other words, their origin and ours are totally different.

Of course, a creationist, at least used in this sense, if one who believes that God created Adam and Eve as described in the book of Genesis. Now, the query is: Who created these other beings? If the Bible is our total knowledge of God Almighty, and there are other beings totally different than ourselves, they would not be the offspring of Adam and Eve, right?

Any thoughts from our readers?

Comments

November 26, 2008 at 3:26 am
(1) scott says:

well i think a lot of the bible is fictional folk stories. Adam and Eve is probably one of them. Okay, okay, in reality we know that Satan created them and this is why we will someday meet on a great battlefield and despite all odds, with God our creator on our side we will crush the Satan created aliens despite their superior technology. Billy nothing can stop the word of the Lord.

November 26, 2008 at 3:41 am
(2) SUZIE says:

If the bible states that God created man in is image then if He created the “aliens” then shouldn’t they also look like us/Him?
Or was each being created different based on their survival on their home planet ? (but still basically biped, 2 armed human form)

November 26, 2008 at 4:15 am
(3) dell says:

Good question, the bible talks about God creating the universe, and the earth and all life on earth, but I don’t think it states that there was or wasn’t life created anyplace else in the universe, human or otherwise.

November 26, 2008 at 6:58 am
(4) John says:

A mickey mouse book has talking mice, it doesn’t mean that talking mice exist.

November 26, 2008 at 7:52 am
(5) Eve says:

I believe with all my heart that this is the TRUTH. God created Adam,got the woman (Eve) from Adam’s rib and they pro created. Anything that is kind of human and yet not human is either, the God Head(Father, Son & Holy Spirit),Angels, the Devil or his demons. These little ugly creatures from UFOs that people see are DEMONS. Nothing scientific here, but spiritual.With all the different experiments going on as per the testimonies from UFO abductees, its very evident that the devil is preparing for the endtime show, endtime deception – the antichrist. Just as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the end. Nephilims (crosses between humans and fallen angels) are coming back in the endtimes.

November 26, 2008 at 8:44 am
(6) Hans says:

I like to think that, the “Creator” is in our mind, and that all minds is connected on a subconscious level..
Maby we humans is the “first creation”, and that all other life is a product of our imagination “the creator mind”, which/who we are all linked to more or less…

November 26, 2008 at 9:58 am
(7) alexis says:

this is so fake whats on the power line?

November 26, 2008 at 10:17 am
(8) carolyn says:

I think we have always been around-truly marvelous, creative, beings. I think the elohim (“gods”) who “created” us somehow limited us. Yup, they created us by somehow trapping us, in their image all right–with a limited sense of consciousness. I don’t know who they truly are or were, but they don’t fit my concept of an infinite, nonjudgmental God.
So, with that I believe that creation exists all over the universe and what happened on this planet is only a little speck of the total story.
But I can never discount how inspiration weaves it’s way through religious writings, giving us a glimpse of a greater purpose. For me
the interesting pattern of the Bible is that it starts out with us losing paradise and ends with a “new heaven and new earth.” I think we’re going to get back what we lost.

November 26, 2008 at 10:39 am
(9) dcarolyn says:

I think we have always been marvelous, creative beings. Somehow, something happened and the “elohim,” literally gods, limited us or at least part of our consciousness in their image. What happened on planet earth or perhaps third dimensional reality is just a speck of the whole picture of creation. I can never, however, discount the influence of inspiration weaving through our religious writings and the following scenario always stays with me. The beginning of the bible talks about something that we lost and the end of the bible talks about a new heaven and new earth. We’re getting back what we lost and maybe what we lost is a connection with the rest creation on other planets and dimensions.

November 26, 2008 at 10:49 am
(10) Jay says:

The Bible is a load of trash.

November 26, 2008 at 10:54 am
(11) shirley says:

In the very beginning the earth was fully formed and with life in the oceans and on land. At this point it gets debateable as according to Genesis our Creator said “Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness” as we were to become the keepers of the earth. So God was the decision-maker but maybe it sounds like there are other beings involved???
Adam and Eve were innocents and godly but somehow something changed and we seem to have been left to evolve in our own direction although I think we are overwatched.
Each of us can only speculate but its a good debate from Billy.

November 26, 2008 at 11:06 am
(12) dcarolyn says:

I think we have always been marvelous, creative beings—part of one big whole of creativity. I think part of our consciousness got sabotaged and that part is now locked in a limited perception of reality and consciousness. I don’t know if being created in the image of the gods or elohim was an improvement. I do, however, always have to consider the influence of inspirational messages that seem to weave it’s way through our religious texts. So, here’s what I get out of the Bible. It starts off by stating that man lost something and ends by saying that we’re getting it back. I hope part of that has to do with an expanded consciousness that links us with the rest of creation in other worlds and realities.

November 26, 2008 at 11:42 am
(13) KJ says:

Wow, Billy have you ever seen so fast post growing on your blog ?????? lol

November 26, 2008 at 11:43 am
(14) KJ says:

Hush Jay,

Start reading the Bible and then make your mind up.

November 26, 2008 at 11:54 am
(15) Berto says:

God could have created Adams & Eves on thousands of planets. Then again isn’t the earth older than the bible? And aren’t there other religions on earth that have other beliefs. Why is the Bible always used as the standard? Hmmmm….

November 26, 2008 at 12:11 pm
(16) dcarlyn says:

Guys, I had lots of problems getting my comment to load. I rewrote several times, then they all a appeared. Billy, do me a favor and delete a couple of them for me. So sorry, all!

November 26, 2008 at 12:15 pm
(17) dcarolyn says:

It’s happening again. Billy, please delete some of my comments. I keep on having to rewrite them and they’re all appearing. I’m in posting hell!

November 26, 2008 at 12:18 pm
(18) Cristin says:

Well, first off, I think the bible is taken far too literal. Interpreted by each religion how they see fit. People continue to place the “evil” or “of the devil” tag on anything unknown or different to them. Don’t get me wrong, I am in no way denouncing God. Mostly what I am saying is, even though so many claim to be open minded, finding out that God didn’t create this earth as the center of the universe would cause religious and moral confusion. There would only be a small amount of people truly receptive to something like that.

November 26, 2008 at 1:03 pm
(19) Shawn says:

Well the Bible is not our total knowledge of God Almighty. So the discussion is pointless.

November 26, 2008 at 1:38 pm
(20) David says:

I agree with Cristin. There are many good lessons in the Bible, but when taken literally and not symbolically (as I believe it was intended) in ANY form, you’re asking for trouble and huge misinterpretation. But that’s just my point of view, and a creationist would completely argue that my view is misinterpretation, so it’s really an unwinable arguement.

November 26, 2008 at 2:23 pm
(21) KJ says:

Shawn and David, that is incorrect what you are stating here. Now hear me out before your start criticizing me about this. Just read it, then apply it. The evidence will be your walk with the Holy Spirit. You have to ask for it to happen in your life. It does not not come automatically. You have to ask. Just read it slowly and ask for revelation what I am about to write under here.

First of all in John 1:1-4 it says:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Then….. according to John 1:1 “The Word that was God” is Jesus Christ who came to Earth. Emmanuel, God with us. Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the WORD OF TRUTH, the gospel of your SALVATION: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that HOLY SPIRIT of PROMISE,
Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

The Holy Spirit is the Person that dwells in all those that want to receive Him inside their bodies and connect with your spirit (pneuma). The Godhead in us.

Then….. in 1 John 2:27 But the ANOINTING which ye have received of HIM abideth in you, and ye need not that any man TEACH you: but as the SAME anointing teacheth you of ALL things, and is TRUTH, and is no LIE, and even as it hath TAUGHT you, ye shall abide IN HIM.

The ANOINTING is from HIM the (Holy Spirit) PROMISE that is and comes inside you. With this you can know God and ALL things that God is about and ALL things that pertain this world issues and solutions. This goes by Faith and not methodological method of application when you are only religious.

The criticism is: Faith and Religion cannot be seen or proven, but however, the fact still stands when manifested in Faith in belief. Now Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things NOT seen.

It is a SUBSTANCE, The real physical matter of which a person or thing consists of.

No magic here, but extremely powerful when you accept it, work with it and make it a lifestyle. It’s really that simple.

Now regarding Adam and Eve. The bible still gives and answer on that: Watch Ephesians 2:10 For WE are his WORKMANSHIP, CREATED in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ORDAINED that we should walk in them.

This means, this was the plan that is and is worked out in us when we start to see our purpose in life and what it is for. It’s really that simple. No brain-bashing on your desk needed for that.

Sorry guys, for much scripture but that is what I believe and is applicable on this question of Adam and Eve.

However there is something that I know about another woman that God created called Lillith before Eve, but I do not want to discuss that here, because that is where the Alien stories are based upon. This goes very deep and is very complicated to picture here online on the how, why and what happened there.

November 26, 2008 at 3:06 pm
(22) Kevin says:

I follow what your saying but I’m not clear how that really answers the question except to say you will know the truth if you walk with the holy spirit.
Is that your point KJ?

November 26, 2008 at 3:15 pm
(23) KJ says:

To Kevin,

Yes ! It answers the question, but from a Triune personal experience view and the consequences of this question.

November 26, 2008 at 9:02 pm
(24) Mike says:

I believe in the Word of God (the Bible), and I see no conflict if other beings exist on other worlds. The bible talks about our world, and if God wanted to create other worlds like ours or different, what is wrong with that? An almighty God can do whatever He wants to do, and create whoever and whatever He wants to. He is like the potter and we are like the clay, and who are we to tell the potter what to do or how to do it?

Thank you KJ for your explanations, you did a great job.

November 26, 2008 at 9:07 pm
(25) John says:

See above for crackpots lol

November 26, 2008 at 9:33 pm
(26) John says:

Eve said “I believe with all my heart that this is the TRUTH. God created Adam,got the woman (Eve) from Adamís rib and they pro created.”

ROFL I can’t believe I hear a woman agreeing with this tosh. Does this not demise the purpose of women, by saying that women are here to satisfy Adam and his descendant males.

“These little ugly creatures from UFOs that people see are DEMONS.”

Oh deary me. Maybe you look ugly to them. In fact some humans are pig ugly lol. Do you see where this discriminate behaviour can go. Well we already know that as the world is so ******* up by thoughts like that already. Evolved life from another planet will most likely not look attractive to us, and we probably will not look nice to them either. Look at the diversity on Earth, do humans and spiders have intimate attractions. No, I don’t think so lol. Anyway I’m just giving another possible viewpoint, I don’t know if they’re aliens, demons or whether they exist at all for sure. It’s just your logic to come to your conclusion by what you have written is flawed.

“Nothing scientific here, but spiritual.”

If the spiritual world exists and we can interact with it, then it has connections to the natural world, and therefore science as well.

“With all the different experiments going on as per the testimonies from UFO abductees, its very evident that the devil is preparing for the endtime show, endtime deception – the antichrist.”

Oh come on alien abductions are sleep paralysis. I’ve experienced that myself. If we assume alien abductions exist, then you could just equally likely say that the deception is the reverse and these grey aliens control us and our planet through selective breeding. That’s unless you can provide any proof other than just speculating like I just did.

“Just as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the end. Nephilims (crosses between humans and fallen angels) are coming back in the endtimes. ”

Oh that reminds me none of the christian pseudoscience proves the floods or any other claim involving god and noah. Funnily enough Nephilims are completely unknown in appearance in your bible. All the vagueness… does this mean god is vague, or that he can’t be bothered to tell us anything of substance, or most likely that the bible was written by man and consists of stories changing over time. And guess what another possibility for heavenly beings there is apart from angels and devils; you got it, aliens.

We have evidence for sentient life forms existing on a planet – us. Now with a whole universe, its more likely that there’s more sentience out there than there isn’t. We can also say the chance of life evolving is 1 because we exist. There’s not a shred of evidence for supernatural life forms, only the natural here on Earth. Are we to assume unknown unknowns, or just known unknowns!

What’s after the endtimes then, or is there something? If there is, why call it the endtimes??? If you can’t contemplate nothing before a big bang and your mentality can only cope with a mythical god watching over us, then how can you contemplate nothing after the endtimes?

November 26, 2008 at 9:56 pm
(27) John says:

You could also consider that this so called afterlife that religions believe in was just part of our reality before our universe or multiverses were around, and has nothing to do with god or the supernatural, and could always be part of our reality. A short step from this is actually being considered by very few Physicists who are contemplating that consciousness and self-awareness is just another constant in the universe such as gravity and energy. And since our brain functions is just a form of energy, in fact all mass has its equivalent energies, then a universal consciousness may actually be a credible theory in time, in which life is a constant throughout the universe and so is linked. In a similar way to how gravity acts instantaneously on other objects over large distances away.

In such a short time we are physically alive, the universe has aged only a tiny fragment of its lifespan so far. That makes it unlikely that anything significant in terms of evolution of the universe will happen during any of our lifetimes. And any species would take much longer than 1 lifespan to evolve into a higher form of life, and therefore being able to interact with any assumed supernatural realm, as we know that majority if not everyone does not interact with a supernatural realm, and proof of this does not exist either. This all makes any further assumptions that we are all going to see some form of spiritual endtime soon not at all credible. One further reason why is that any assumed spiritual realm where we also exist would have existed for much longer, and since our universe does not appear to be in a process of complete and utter destruction, it also would make sense to assume that the spiritual realm would not be either, since many many multiverses may have existed during its lifetime. So an endtime of total annihilation of our universe (by god?) seems unlikely. Any other form of destruction of our planet or harm to humans would be from natural processes, and so natural deaths would ensue just like they do every day.

You are probably just going to say that what you said will happen due to gods will and the devils hatred. But at least show some rational method to why that is true without quoting unreliable sources such as the bible. And no you can’t disprove your claims, as disproving a negative is probably impossible, and as such you can’t disprove anything I’ve said either lol.

Of course we all have an endtime when we die, and then we will find out if a spiritual world exists or not. It’s a win win situation; if there isn’t one you wouldn’t feel anything to know, if there is that’s a bonus.

November 26, 2008 at 10:05 pm
(28) John says:

kj said “Start reading the Bible and then make your mind up.”

Yea that’s what made my mind up and all of those who think it’s a load of trash. And people like kj spouting it like a tap does not help either.

All we ask is for you to use reasoning in your methods of analysis during discussions. And to accept rationality over irrationality.

November 26, 2008 at 11:34 pm
(29) Ike Turner says:

You people need to accept the word of the Lord as your salvation. If you do not heed his scripture you will be abducted by these ‘aliens’ better known as Satan’s worker demons. For the Lord said it shall be written that no being besides man is the rue emobidment of his image. And therefore he shall worship no one but the God our lord (Matthew 12:11).

I feel that America is declining with the election of our atheist president instead of the true one, the savior from Alaska. This is just another sign of the end times.

When all people of the world believe in Christ then things will get better. All the ills of the world are to be blamed on the Devil, Beelzebub. For he wields the sword of evil and can descend to the earthly realms with technology we have not dreamed of.

Jesus is WORD!

November 26, 2008 at 11:35 pm
(30) Billy says:

For the Lord is our sheperd, we shall not question the ways of the universe.

November 26, 2008 at 11:50 pm
(31) Claudia says:

If you don’t believe UFOs are real (consequently, aliens..), then you must be:

1-blind, and/or
2-deaf, and/or
3-stubborn, and/or
4-dead.

Any other reasoning goes beyond human race’s natural curiosity. Remember, you were born human before you had a religion to follow.

Follow your instincts. Open your mind. Share the knowledge. (in that order)

Claudia
http://22050hz.blogspot.com/

November 27, 2008 at 1:20 am
(32) John says:

Ike Turner said “You people need to accept the word of the Lord as your salvation.”

Haha!!!

“If you do not heed his scripture you will be abducted by these Ďaliensí better known as Satanís worker demons.”

There’s no proof of alien abductions, and why do you need to latch onto consipiracy theories for your own religious beliefs. Is it because there’s no substance of your own to go on?

“For the Lord said it shall be written that no being besides man is the rue emobidment of his image. And therefore he shall worship no one but the God our lord (Matthew 12:11).”

Same old garbage – worship god blah blah blah. lol

“I feel that America is declining with the election of our atheist president instead of the true one, the savior from Alaska. This is just another sign of the end times.”

OMG did you just actually say that. John McCain was the republican candidate, not Sarah Palin. She’s a complete mental retardation anyway. I see only believing in god is the only necessary requirement to enter your cult, and any members having any intelligence is unlikely.

“When all people of the world believe in Christ then things will get better…”

Yawn….

“…descend to the earthly realms with technology we have not dreamed of.”

*snore… snore…*

“Jesus is WORD!”

*wakes up laughing*
You like to keep things simple doncha, or doncha lurvv Sarah Palin sooo murchh that ya gotcha go neewcleaar on us arl and start tawking like yooawl Alaskans.

Many words come to mind, but I can’t express them as it won’t get posted.

Anyway it’s human nature to see links where there isn’t. But it’s extemely irrational to interprete everything you just did, especially the fact that a President who doesn’t believe in god will about some form of end-times. *chuckle*

Do we still blame comets for bad weather? Please evolve into the 21st century, and join the rest of us.

I wonder why people opt for pseudoscience, and how many of those actually understand what real science is. Since most usually refer to science as faith based, I guess the majority just don’t have a clue.

November 27, 2008 at 1:24 am
(33) Sarah Palin says:

“the savior from Alaska”

Oh that stupid simple woman lol. Whoopsies ya gotcha me again. Silly me I getcha confused by easiiii questions.

November 27, 2008 at 3:27 am
(34) scott says:

I liked Sarah Palin, thought she did a fine job. Of course the media did nothing but attack her during their run. While on the other hand they said nothing but positive things about obama. It’s a new low for the media. When will the media be held to the same standard they hold everyone else to? These are the dark days of journalism where bias articles and favoritism is the norm, and unbiased fair articles and reporting are very rare. The societies for fairness in the media should have awards for the fairest journalism and reporting. They should give out Razzies for poor journalism and reporting.

November 27, 2008 at 7:47 am
(35) John says:

Nah I made up my own mind after watching your election coverage on UK tv. I admit she was entertaining and funny, but the vast majority of your voters realised she would be a disaster in office with McCain.

November 27, 2008 at 12:36 pm
(36) daniela says:

I think that aliens do exist.
And the bible talks about who God created then but what about 200 years ago?
No one has proved that they have existed for as long as humans have.
no one has proof that the exist now.
I mean i guess you can call it proof but we still arent sure if they exist or not.
So maybe they were created by God 200 years ago or maybe they were created by someone else at the same time we were created or maybe they just dont exist at all.

November 27, 2008 at 12:43 pm
(37) JoAnn says:

What we all need is a lot more common sense when it comes to the stories handed down from oral traditions to written words which are then reinturpreted into various languages by people who have their own ideas as to what the word means. I have at one time read every version of the bible available at the time and learned that words are slanted in meaning by the religion doing the “teaching”. The word FAITH means you have fallen for a particular version of a collection of stories that were handed down over the centuries and lost their original meaning long ago. Its just like the aboriginals and their “Dreamtime” stories. Better off reading History,Literature, Philosophy, and use your own brain. End of scolding.

November 27, 2008 at 1:08 pm
(38) Cristin says:

Wow… so now this is a discussion about sarah palin? She made herself look stupid by the way… The media just helped her out a little.

Ike Turner… are you for real? I’m not asking if you’re really ike turner, I’m wondering if you were serious when you wrote that.

Can’t people believe in God without acting like fanatics? Good grief.

Possibilities are endless, not any one person is right. I don’t see why everything always turns into, good, and evil.

November 27, 2008 at 2:35 pm
(39) John says:

Ike Turner the musician died in 2007

August 15, 2011 at 5:43 pm
(40) paul says:

So? We are talking superstition.

November 27, 2008 at 3:41 pm
(41) Ray says:

Seems to me, that all relegions are unwittingly worshiping aliens..The true creative source has nothing to do with the gods of all the major relegions..We’re gonna need to get over relegion if mankind is going to progress…

November 27, 2008 at 8:22 pm
(42) John says:

Well said, even if your spelling isn’t great, the meaning of your words is absolutely true.

November 27, 2008 at 10:35 pm
(43) Cristin says:

I know about Ike turner.

I just wondered if the person who wrote that was serious, it just didn’t seem like he was serious about what he was saying. Not that it really matters…

Ray, I agree with what you are saying.

November 28, 2008 at 12:47 am
(44) John says:

Whoops, sorry I misread your post about Ike Turner.

November 28, 2008 at 3:13 am
(45) Suzie says:

I sit here and wonder why religious fanatics have invaded this blog and constantally pick on believers in ufos and aliens? We don’t invade your religious sites and tell you that you are wrong and should believe in aliens and ufo’s so why do you have the need to harass us here? And if you are so religious why are you even looking up ufo sites? Please don’t tell me that it is your mission in life to show people the light, and if you feel that way why don’t you do it in person and not hide behind false names and the internet.

November 28, 2008 at 5:17 am
(46) John says:

Well said Suzie, give the self-righteous ***** everything they deserve

November 28, 2008 at 8:55 am
(47) KJ says:

To John, Suzie, Ray, Cristin, JoAnn,

Mawahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahaha !!!!!

Ik bescheur me van het lachen.

That was Dutch, “I am tearing myself apart in laughter.”

What I see from you lot is negativity, tearing down and ridicule. Who wants to listen to negativity ?

You know what, The Message of Salvation is a message of positivity and blessing. It’s great, awesome and nothing in the Universe can compare to it what it is offering. Something that is free for all mankind to take. But no, mankind rather wants to pay trillions of dollars, euros, yen’s etc, and loads of efforts to get themselves out of here with mind boggling idiocy. I think many have not scoured the Internet, Tv, real life enough to see what it is, what I am talking about. Just take some time and wander through the really bad things that are happening. Just put it in a Word document and see how much positive there really is ? Of-course there is some. This is said, not to be pessimistic, but this is the reality that is totally and completely ignored. Ignorance is bliss. I know for sure that if everything that is good would be applied from the Bible, this entire world will look different. The bible has many morals that are good for everyone to apply. Morals, like love your neighbor as yourself, feeding the poor, help the widows and widowers, look after the orphans, be a beacon for those who are struggling, the old, the weary, the sick, the weak. One day the strong will be weary, sick and weak. They will stretch out for the message of being sustained. This guys, is coming from the Bible, that book that you vehemently despise. It does not come from humans and their so called goodness. Humans are from nature egoists, selfish, wicked and most of all warmongers. Let every man and woman put their hand in their own bosom and see if they are so “good”. They are not. They have nothing to brag or excited about. This is a fact. If they have they are full of pride and boastfulness. What will you be remembered for ? Your pride, your achievements or a changer of the world.

I understand the negativity and criticism very well. It is because none of you have ever participated in a meeting where the Power of God is manifested and present. If you did, why did you not come forward and tried it out ? Were you too scared, too critical, too ignorant to admit, yes there is something going on here ?

Anyone who holds unto his/her life will lose it. It is like sand held in your hand and squeeze it hard. It slowly will fall through your fingers on the ground, harder to pick up. Those who dare to surrender are in for a ride that you will never be the same again. It’s exciting, it’s has great trials, awesome challenges, mighty summits to climb, but you will always come out a Victor.

What are YOU going to stand upon, a bunch of fleeting knowledge, teachings from humans ? That crumbles and blows at the change of the wind that blows ? What are you going to do in the face of Fear and Resistance ? You are gonna throw some knowledge against it from humans ? Hahahahahhahahahaha ! You have no clue what mess you are in. Brace in for some really hard rides in 2009 and onwards if that knowledge is going to deliver you.

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.

It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us.
We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant,
gorgeous, handsome, talented and fabulous?

Actually, who are you not to be?
You are a child of God.

Your playing small does not serve the world.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking
so that other people won’t feel insecure around you.
We are all meant to shine, as children do.

We were born to make manifest the glory of God within us.
It is not just in some; it is in everyone.

And, as we let our own light shine, we consciously give
other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our fear,
our presence automatically liberates others.

At least that is a message that is positive. Staring in the face of nay sayers and the self-righteous.

Yes, we have to penetrate in every level of society, not only Aliens and UFO’s blog, but everywhere where we put our presence, because we are the red thread through everything if we represent what is due and good. Not being religious and facetious, but encouraging, giving love, being sustainable to all problems regarding others, accommodating, making it all beautiful, a guide, a mate and a example and much more. Sure there are that fail in all of that, but there are many that make these things come true.

November 28, 2008 at 9:02 am
(48) Panacee says:

This is written for John:

WHO IS JACK SCHITT?

For some time many of us have wondered just who is Jack Schitt?

We find ourselves at a loss when someone says, ‘You don’t know Jack
Schitt’!
Well, thanks to my genealogy efforts, you can now respond in an
intellectual way.

Jack Schitt is the only son of Awe Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer
magnate, who married O. Schitt, the owner of Needeep N. Schitt, Inc.
They had one son, Jack.

In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt. The deeply religious couple
produced six children: Holie Schitt, Giva Schitt, Fulla Schitt, Bull
Schitt, and the twins Deep Schitt and Dip Schitt.

Against her parents’ objections, Deep Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a
high school dropout.

After being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced.
Noe Schitt later married Ted Sherlock, and because her kids were living
with them, she wanted to keep her previous name. She was then known as
Noe Schitt Sherlock.

Meanwhile, Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt, and they produced a son with
a rather nervous disposition named Chicken Schitt. Two of the other six
children, Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt, were inseparable throughout
childhood and subsequently married the Happens brothers in a dual
ceremony.

The wedding announcement in the newspaper announced the Schitt-Happens
nuptials. The Schitt-Happens children were Dawg, Byrd, and Horse.

Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world.
He recently returned from Italy with his new Italian bride, Pisa
Schitt.

Now when someone says, ‘You don’t know Jack Schitt’, you can correct
them.

Sincerely,

Crock O. Schitt

November 28, 2008 at 10:19 am
(49) Ray says:

Well thank you KJ for implying that I’m negative, your judgements couldn’t be farther from the truth..I feel that I know where I belong in the universe and I live my life accordingly..Difference is I don’t need a book to tell me how to do it..I’m not knocking religion it just doesn’t reach me..It’s seems very outdated to me..I try not to be judgemental but I’m sick of many Christians harping on about the last day’s etc. This is negative energy being put into the Universe and believe me this works the same way as some prayer is positive..The law of cause and effect..I’m happy you feel fulfilled.But remember we came from the same source and we will go back to that source whether we believe in the Bible Tora Koran or non of them..

November 28, 2008 at 7:35 pm
(50) corwin155 says:

GOD named all the stars in the sky
why would he do that unless he had plans for those stars
kj aliens aint satans workers , you need to follow the spirt of the word not the literal meaning as the word has been changed by man
personally i dont see a problem with creationists and aliens
the Catholics all ready said they look forward to meeting and asking aliens what their beliefs are
as a spiritual person who listens to scientists
science is proving there is a multi-verse.
i look forward to meeting aliens :D

November 28, 2008 at 7:56 pm
(51) terrybeef says:

well of course they adam and eve’s offspring.they will lokk unlike us I would assume..they might not even breathe the same kind of gas…technically all animals are different.i believe since the lord made all these wonderous things here on earth..why would he stop there?..I believe there is at least one or more species of beings who have already visited our planet..and are still doing so..I’ve seen too many unexplained phenomenon in earths evening skies..
JMO..

November 29, 2008 at 12:06 am
(52) John says:

KJ said “What I see from you lot is negativity, tearing down and ridicule. Who wants to listen to negativity ?”

Really and you’re so positive talking about the end of the world, and insulting ufo witnesses. You have to be the most negative person on here.

“You know what, The Message of Salvation is a message of positivity and blessing. Itís great, awesome and nothing in the Universe can compare to it what it is offering.”

No I don’t know what because it’s a load of bull. If there’s a spiritual world after death then everyone belongs there, and not just those who fanatically believe. And so you’re wasting your life fanatically believing in such unproven claims.

“Something that is free for all mankind to take. But no, mankind rather wants to pay trillions of dollars, euros, yenís etc, and loads of efforts to get themselves out of here with mind boggling idiocy.”

Sure we can all agree that money corrupts awfully.

“I think many have not scoured the Internet, Tv, real life enough to see what it is, what I am talking about. Just take some time and wander through the really bad things that are happening.”

Bad things have happened for a long time, get over it.

“Just put it in a Word document and see how much positive there really is ? Of-course there is some. This is said, not to be pessimistic, but this is the reality that is totally and completely ignored.”

I agree people prefer to watch reality tv shows than real life news or tabloid newspaper nonsense about celebrity divorces etc. It’s pathetic and people do need to wake up to what’s going on in the world.

“Ignorance is bliss. I know for sure that if everything that is good would be applied from the Bible, this entire world will look different.”

Yea for them it is, but hardly for everyone. I agree stuff like the 10 commandments are useful, but the bible as a whole can never be taken seriously, and such deprives any value it can have to society as a whole.

“The bible has many morals that are good for everyone to apply. Morals, like love your neighbor as yourself, feeding the poor, help the widows and widowers, look after the orphans, be a beacon for those who are struggling, the old, the weary, the sick, the weak.”

Sure but we don’t need to believe in god or take a bible word for word to be kind towards others in that way. You’re latching onto one good part of the bible and trying to use that to influence your entire belief system onto others. That may work with some people, but I can definitely see right through this. And I haven’t changed my views on either the bible or any religion for that matter.

“One day the strong will be weary, sick and weak. They will stretch out for the message of being sustained. This guys, is coming from the Bible, that book that you vehemently despise.”

No I just don’t think it’s anything more than an old story book with a few helpful ideas that most good people already live by. You’re asking people to accept that god wrote it if you’re expecting them to take it all word for word, and since you can’t prove that, then you can surely see the logic behind disregarding it entirely.

“It does not come from humans and their so called goodness. Humans are from nature egoists, selfish, wicked and most of all warmongers.”

Hmmm let me see, I think you’re talking about our leaders mostly there and not everybody. Maybe world leaders have good reason to be like that, wonder what the security briefing they gave Obama? Maybe he realises the full threat from Islamic extremists, and such will have to take warlike steps to protect his people.

You are definitely wrong if you think athiest humans cannot be good people, and egoist of you to think so as well.

“Let every man and woman put their hand in their own bosom and see if they are so ďgoodĒ.”

So vague and nonsensical. I don’t think anybody knows just how good of a person they are until they are put in a life threatening situation. And religion doesn’t play a part there, only bravery and compassion. These don’t stem from religion, they are potentially part of us all.

“They are not. They have nothing to brag or excited about. This is a fact.

No its not a fact, you can’t say that every man and woman is not good, that just silly. Or if you’re implying that all athiests aren’t good, that’s even more silly.

“If they have they are full of pride and boastfulness. What will you be remembered for ? Your pride, your achievements or a changer of the world.”

More vagueness again, any appropriate examples or you just over-generalising again! What are your achievements then, and do you seem to feel the need to boast about them to others on here? If not why are you on a pro-religion, and anti-everyone else crusade.

“I understand the negativity and criticism very well. It is because none of you have ever participated in a meeting where the Power of God is manifested and present.”

Alright then, tell him to manifest to me in person and maybe we can all have a good time. Until then I think I’m going to have to be sceptical. Maybe you’re just mentally ill, so many visions can be caused by brain disorders. Shall we call these events mass euphoria, I’ve seen them before, it’s a human condition nothing to do with god.

“If you did, why did you not come forward and tried it out ? Were you too scared, too critical, too ignorant to admit, yes there is something going on here ?”

OK tell us how to try it out and we’ll see the outcome. Fear and ignorance are not part of being critical. In fact critical thinking helps to remove things like fear and ignorance. Maybe blind faith introduces ignorance and arrogance, and we all see that in you. Yes something is going on, I’ve noticed people are getting nastier in the world, but these have been observed before in harsh times. In between this there’s always been the kind and compassionate people who help others at any cost. Many children were saved from the holocaust by been kept hidden by families at their own risk, although most wouldn’t risk their own lives for someone else’s children. There will still be people like that today who will put their life on the line for others. That’s how it will always be, unless you can prove some form of spiritual awakening is happening, the human species isn’t going to change anytime soon.

“Anyone who holds unto his/her life will lose it. It is like sand held in your hand and squeeze it hard. It slowly will fall through your fingers on the ground, harder to pick up.”

Cool is your brain also like sand.

“Those who dare to surrender are in for a ride that you will never be the same again. Itís exciting, itís has great trials, awesome challenges, mighty summits to climb, but you will always come out a Victor.”

Surrender to what. Again I ask you what the **** are you on about?! Maybe if this god bothered to let himself be known you wouldn’t have to convince anyone. Or maybe there isn’t one.

“What are YOU going to stand upon, a bunch of fleeting knowledge, teachings from humans ? That crumbles and blows at the change of the wind that blows ?”

If your knowledge is so great why do you never say anything of substance. Most of your comments are based on attacking anyone who doesn’t follow your beliefs.

“What are you going to do in the face of Fear and Resistance ? You are gonna throw some knowledge against it from humans ?”

You’re a very simple person, are you going to throw your bible at a Muslim extremist as you explode into a million pieces?

“Hahahahahhahahahaha ! You have no clue what mess you are in.”

Probably not, but neither do you. Yea we know WW3 etc, I’ve already had a laugh talking about it on a previous blog on here – the one about Obama and ufos I think. So what maybe it might happen, what are we to do. Live in fear or just live happy lives and deal with it when it may come. It seems you promote fear, yet complain because humans show fear. You relate that to ignorance, but it’s more your own ignorance than anything else.

“Brace in for some really hard rides in 2009 and onwards if that knowledge is going to deliver you.”

Go deliver yourself up your anus.

“Yes, we have to penetrate in every level of society, not only Aliens and UFOís blog, but everywhere where we put our presence, because we are the red thread through everything if we represent what is due and good.”

Yea we know that already. It’s not your beliefs we despise, it’s just your attitude towards anyone else. How can we take you seriously when you talk absolute bull.

“Not being religious and facetious, but encouraging, giving love, being sustainable to all problems regarding others, accommodating, making it all beautiful, a guide, a mate and a example and much more. ”

You’re kidding right, everything you say has a religious doctrine to it, and we don’t hate that. We are just sick of your arrogance towards others. It’s more how you approach others in your methodology than what we think about your beliefs which irritates us more.

If religious doctrines involved informing people of their beliefs once only and left it at that instead of nagging at them constantly, I wouldn’t reply in a derogatory way. Especially when they never say anything new, it’s just rehashed ideas that haven’t changed since they last made their appearance. It’s the job of the believer to convince the non-believers in any doctrine whether that be aliens or god. But you have to go about it in a subjective and respectful manner.

Is it any wonder why we call religious fanatics on the bus or the street fanatical?! Or are you getting this now. Extreme unproven idea promote distaste, and are an irritant. One day you are going to have to ask yourself serious questions about why people don’t take you seriously, and this is probably what you will conclude. Or if for some minute chance that you guess right, you can live the delusion for longer. But just remember you’re guessing and you haven’t come to any conclusions via logical methods. The same applies for any conspiracy theory, they are just wild guesses, and if aliens are in cohesion with the US government and they believe an astronaut’s story, it doesn’t mean anything more than they guessed correctly. That’s the difference between speculation and fact. And don’t let that make you assume that all your other guesses must then be correct. The sign of intelligence is not to wildly guess and hope on of them is right, but to search for answers collecting evidence which forms proof.

“Sure there are that fail in all of that, but there are many that make these things come true.”

Yes and they all don’t need religion either for all of this.

November 29, 2008 at 12:23 am
(53) John says:

And this bo*l*c*s about love thy enemy is the biggest sack of sh*t I’ve ever heard.

Kill your enemy would be more appropriate especially if you’re talking about someone out to get you. Why doesn’t the bible explain itself literally – i.e. let your enemy blow you up into a million pieces by suicide attack, and wish them well on their task. If the bible writters explained it literally nobody would be interested in it, that’s why the humans who wrote it kept it less obvious so that there would be a few remaining interested parties centuries later.

We have to get over religion completely as a species, as they’re a prime cause of war and current hardships. Other than that people use religion as an excuse to murder and such it is a guilty component of disgusting human nature.

November 29, 2008 at 2:16 am
(54) SUZIE says:

Thank you John

November 29, 2008 at 7:13 am
(55) Ray says:

Wow very interesting..Just on this blog religion is causing so much division..It just about sums up how negative it is for this world..Until there is one understanding and by that I mean a modern day understanding of what we are, religion will result in our destruction..

November 29, 2008 at 1:17 pm
(56) KJ says:

John said:

“Really and youíre so positive talking about the end of the world, and insulting ufo witnesses. You have to be the most negative person on here.”

Yes, I am positive, because I am warning people about what is to come, unlike you who does not know zip what is going on or coming. Which proves you are ignorant and behaving like an ostrich with the head in the sand as I repeated many times.

John said: “No I donít know what because itís a load of bull.”

That is totally YOUR opinion and your opinion does not count.

John said: “If thereís a spiritual world after death then everyone belongs there, and not just those who fanatically believe. And so youíre wasting your life fanatically believing in such unproven claims.”

Who claimed here, that those who fanatically believe “belong there”, I have not made such claims. You are confusing yourself with other debaters somewhere else.

But I tell you what, go check out this link and see what you can get out of that: http://aglimpseofeternity.org/ Do be so arrogant that you think you know all things about other people and where they have been and gone through.

John said: “Bad things have happened for a long time, get over it. ”

Why should I get over it ? Why don’t you go to all the psychiatric wards and hospitals and say out loud to the patients ” Get over it !” What you think will happen ? Are you really that foolish ?

John said: “I agree people prefer to watch reality tv shows than real life news or tabloid newspaper nonsense about celebrity divorces etc. Itís pathetic and people do need to wake up to whatís going on in the world.”

It’s called reality and being responsible and facing it.

John said: “Yea for them it is, but hardly for everyone. I agree stuff like the 10 commandments are useful, but the bible as a whole can never be taken seriously, and such deprives any value it can have to society as a whole.”

Again that is your opinion and we don’t thrive only by your opinion, nor as a society at large. You are coming over like a little dictator, do what I say, don’t do what some sound minded people say is better.

You are not facing the truth, nor do you know it. I guess it is because you don’t have life experience at your young age. You think all is well and flexible and it cannot break down. You will come back on that one day, like most people will, unless you are as stubborn as a donkey.

John said: “Sure but we donít need to believe in god or take a bible word for word to be kind towards others in that way. Youíre latching onto one good part of the bible and trying to use that to influence your entire belief system onto others. That may work with some people, but I can definitely see right through this. And I havenít changed my views on either the bible or any religion for that matter.”

Yes, I believe in a God, your problem not mine. Yes, the bible is a guideline for everyone to live righteously, justified and as an example. It is a good thing that belief system, it is tested and tried as long as the world is old. Problems come from not living by it’s standards. You can’t see through it, nobody is ever be capable of doing that. You just don’t like the rules in it. You want to make your own. If that is so, why don’t you go break the law if your are such a lone ranger. The law comes forth from the bible. Period.

John said: “No I just donít think itís anything more than an old story book with a few helpful ideas that most good people already live by. Youíre asking people to accept that god wrote it if youíre expecting them to take it all word for word, and since you canít prove that, then you can surely see the logic behind disregarding it entirely.”

Yes, it is good to take it word by word. Have you tried ? I don’t think you did. That is proven out of your debate skills that pretty suck regarding that. That is more that logical for me to see.

ďIt does not come from humans and their so called goodness. Humans are from nature egoists, selfish, wicked and most of all warmongers.Ē

John said: “Hmmm let me see, I think youíre talking about our leaders mostly there and not everybody. Maybe world leaders have good reason to be like that, wonder what the security briefing they gave Obama? Maybe he realises the full threat from Islamic extremists, and such will have to take warlike steps to protect his people.”

It is called “vetting” and “brainwashing” about things that actually don’t exist but is good for the general populace to believe for their own so called “benefit”. Besides all that, they are only puppets, other people on the other end of the strings are pulling the shots there. I know plenty islamic people and they do not share the aggression like other muslims do. Some use it for political gain, others because they have lost a family member in their families and want revenge. Revenge is not the answer, if all lay down their weapons and stop getting blood out of others, it just simply stops. It is all based in unforgiveness towards the other parties. Unforgiveness is a bitter root, it runs deep and it makes the mind and the body sick. Forgiving someone is the hardest thing to do. But is the key in any conflict to defuse it.

John said: “You are definitely wrong if you think athiest humans cannot be good people, and egoist of you to think so as well.”

On what morals do they shape their do called “goodness” on ? Right, what the bible or other religious books are writing. There is no other example in the world that there is a atheist bible or something. Because that is just rubbish. I am an “egoist” ? On what charge, because I want to see a better world and it involves God as well. Now what is wrong with that. I don’t know what people you have met, but it must be the “hardcore” group that is so shaking at your chain every day.

John said: “So vague and nonsensical. I donít think anybody knows just how good of a person they are until they are put in a life threatening situation. And religion doesnít play a part there, only bravery and compassion. These donít stem from religion, they are potentially part of us all.”

They do stem from “religion” and above all from the bible. I Corinthians 13. You have not read it, you just skip that conveniently.

1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not CHARITY, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 CHARITY suffereth long, and is kind; CHARITY envieth not; CHARITY vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 CHARITY never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

CHARITY is something that you do and can be made a fact in real lives of people. It’s a matter of applying it.

John said: “No its not a fact, you canít say that every man and woman is not good, that just silly. Or if youíre implying that all athiests arenít good, thatís even more silly.”

Yes, I can, Hitler was good ? Mao Tse Toeng was good ? Stalin was good ? Kim Ill Yung is good ? And so I can mention many. Yes and I believe that atheists are not good, then being self-righteous and puffed up, because they have nothing to style themselves upon then what the bible has written. There no book of atheist morals. It is not written anywhere and if it was, then it is derived what the bible wrote in it’s contents. So yes, Atheists are believers in God and His morals that He wrote long time. Fact and proven.

John writes: “More vagueness again, any appropriate examples or you just over-generalising again! What are your achievements then, and do you seem to feel the need to boast about them to others on here? If not why are you on a pro-religion, and anti-everyone else crusade.”

It is not in your interest what I do, was it now ? Yes, I am pro-God, what are you gonna do about it ? Nowhere, I have written I am anti-everyone, you just sucked that out of your ignorant writing thumb. I am not impressed.

John writes: Alright then, tell him to manifest to me in person and maybe we can all have a good time. Until then I think Iím going to have to be sceptical. Maybe youíre just mentally ill, so many visions can be caused by brain disorders. Shall we call these events mass euphoria, Iíve seen them before, itís a human condition nothing to do with god.

So then, I have God in my pocket, so I can tell Him what to do ? And especially someone who does not want to know Him as well ? Like, go to John God, manifest yourself to him, so He can be convinced. Even if God would bite you in the butt, you would still say, Nooooo that’s not Him. It’s the tooth-fairy or something. And yes, people are sometimes arrested in the spirit. I guess you have not been there yet to experience that. It is the same thing about shouting at someone, Hey, Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, you, you idiot, come over here and show yourself. That person would run away into the opposite direction if they are wise. Yet you come here and say, Oh if God exists, let Him show himself on the command of KJ ? Ridiculous. It’s up to you, man, not my command. Imagine God sitting with a brawler and screamer like you ? I am sure He has other things to do then listen to your verbal blasphemy and discontent with believing people. I mean I wouldn’t to be honest, but I have shown patience, so does He, it’s a great gift to have on people like yourself and everyone. Scream and yell to me and God what you want. It does not budge me, not Him.

ďIf you did, why did you not come forward and tried it out ? Were you too scared, too critical, too ignorant to admit, yes there is something going on here ?Ē

John said: OK tell us how to try it out and weíll see the outcome.

I told you, you did not do what I said. What more can I say.

John said: “Fear and ignorance are not part of being critical.”

You are over the top critical. Which is irrational.

John said: In fact critical thinking helps to remove things like fear and ignorance.

No, it rather makes you look silly and unbending. It is like the blind leading the blind and both fell into the ditch by conversation.

John sputters: Maybe blind faith introduces ignorance and arrogance, and we all see that in you.

Yes it is needed to be seen that blind faith is working fine, nothing to do with ignorance and arrogance (these are your stupendous words what come out of your cortex simplex in the area of reason), it just works. Who are you to tell me that I can’t do blind faith ?

John: “Yes something is going on, Iíve noticed people are getting nastier in the world, but these have been observed before in harsh times. In between this thereís always been the kind and compassionate people who help others at any cost. Many children were saved from the holocaust by been kept hidden by families at their own risk, although most wouldnít risk their own lives for someone elseís children. There will still be people like that today who will put their life on the line for others. Thatís how it will always be, unless you can prove some form of spiritual awakening is happening, the human species isnít going to change anytime soon.”

No, you don’t need to wake up spiritually about this, it is just good thing to do no matter what imaginative awakening, why don’t you do the same.

John: “Cool is your brain also like sand ?”

Is this a question ? Or just a stab up the belt again ? You cannot write things or use a computer, if you did not have a brain. Scientifically proven and not reasonable either. I guess you are running out of fodder again and go back to your tangents as you have done before.

John: “Surrender to what.”

To God, easy. No big deal. I did it, millions did, why you want to be left out ?

John “Again I ask you what the **** are you on about?! Maybe if this god bothered to let himself be known you wouldnít have to convince anyone. Or maybe there isnít one.”

Oooooooohhhh, there is One God and I am convinced and I am on about the greatest thing in life and on earth. That you have not wrapped your head around it, it not my problem. Maybe one day you will or maybe not. You have been told. That is the issue here. Whatever you doing with it, is your responsibility.

ďWhat are YOU going to stand upon, a bunch of fleeting knowledge, teachings from humans ? That crumbles and blows at the change of the wind that blows ?Ē

John: “If your knowledge is so great why do you never say anything of substance.”

Again that is your opinion, it’s not a fact and it only lives in those who are against God and people that are believers in God. You have put yourself square against them, forgetting that you are the same human being like anyone else is and don’t have all the answers either. On the other hand I told you, Faith is a substance. You gotta try it to see the results ! And results it does give, whether you agree with it or not.

John says: “Most of your comments are based on attacking anyone who doesnít follow your beliefs.”

Is that what you are thinking ? Then you are wrong, I just want to make clear that I don’t believe in Aliens, nor in the authenticity of UFO’s as being Extraterrestrial but man made. But mankind does need a hobby does it not ? lol. Even it was collecting hairs from the abominable snowman or Yeti.

John: “Youíre a very simple person, are you going to throw your bible at a Muslim extremist as you explode into a million pieces?”

No, I could start by listening to him what his cause is and why and see why he has become like this and try to talk him/her out of it. That it is not worth it.

ďHahahahahhahahahaha ! You have no clue what mess you are in.Ē

Probably not, but neither do you.

I know exactly where I am, I am in the Plan and Palm of God’s Hand and so will my life be destined as He sees fit. I have great comfort into that. Whether I die or live. I surrender. Works like a charm.

John: “Yea we know WW3 etc, Iíve already had a laugh talking about it on a previous blog on here – the one about Obama and ufos I think. So what maybe it might happen, what are we to do. Live in fear or just live happy lives and deal with it when it may come. It seems you promote fear, yet complain because humans show fear. You relate that to ignorance, but itís more your own ignorance than anything else.”

Who are you to decide about my or anyone’s ignorance while I live the life that is the life that is ? Do they live the life of Faith ? Now that is ignorance. I guess they just want to take the easy way up right ? Why do we have respect for people ? Because they are such great achievers ? What about they are just as big a failure like everyone is ? Is there anyone that can boast about it ? Leaving behind like everyone traces of issues that cannot be resolved. No, I don’t think mankind has much on offer of what I see. It’s all imperfect. It’s full of errors and defects. It never fully satisfies then endless quests of squandering money, energy and times that can be used better elsewhere.

John: Go deliver yourself up your anus.

He has run out of intellectual matter again and returns to Kindergarten insults.

John: Yea we know that already. Itís not your beliefs we despise, itís just your attitude towards anyone else.

Mawhahahaha. Got anything intelligent to say, John ?

John: How can we take you seriously when you talk absolute bull.

Like yourselves you do. Just as applicable to yourself. Go-on bring in the other whiners with ya will you ?

John: “Youíre kidding right, everything you say has a religious doctrine to it, and we donít hate that. We are just sick of your arrogance towards others. Itís more how you approach others in your methodology than what we think about your beliefs which irritates us more.”

It is designed to “irritate”, it is important that it “irritates” to the core of your being and of how a failure you are in not been able to refute it. Simply because it is the real deal that you can’t comprehend then your overreactive calculating brain that leads us anywhere then a load of blah blah blah.

John: If religious doctrines involved informing people of their beliefs once only and left it at that instead of nagging at them constantly, I wouldnít reply in a derogatory way.

No, then we have to listen to your scientific and physics blather that comes forth of reading text book and you parroting here.

John: “Especially when they never say anything new, itís just rehashed ideas that havenít changed since they last made their appearance. ”

And what have you said that gets you the laureate nobel prize of what then being critical and negative and the crap that goes with ti ????

John: “Itís the job of the believer to convince the non-believers in any doctrine whether that be aliens or god. But you have to go about it in a subjective and respectful manner.”

So what ?

Is it any wonder why we call religious fanatics on the bus or the street fanatical?!

It’s just obeying the command: Go into all the world…..Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature, it’s a mandate, what is your problem. Why can’t you do what you are being told to do ? I am doing what I have to do. Nor it will be ruled by you or anyone the like.

John: Or are you getting this now. Extreme unproven idea promote distaste, and are an irritant.

Perhaps it is that demon that is speaking in you as anti-christ. How about that. It is likely so. Aren’t you a practitioner of free sex, use of excessive alcohol, perhaps ganja, brawling to your friends and girlfriends when you are all stuffed up, parties that are irritants in the neighbourhood for people who want to sleep a 3 am ? Yelling down the road, being a nuisance to nice people like me. You want me to gloss it over ? Never. And you call that morals ? No use to wriggle yourself out of it, It is sin and against society going down the drain, period.

John: One day you are going to have to ask yourself serious questions about why people donít take you seriously, and this is probably what you will conclude.

I don’t see everyone agreeing with you here or all over the world is it ? You are just part of the bashers of people who want to represent something that they are standing for. it must be stinging you a lot is it not ?

Or if for some minute chance that you guess right, you can live the delusion for longer.

My so called “delusion” is only in the mind concoctions of some minds here on earth who make it a mandate to tear down of all that is holy, upright and sincere and in those who want to live a liberal and don’t care the outcome of being really responsible with their bodies, their lives, their achievements. And no John, I have not seen anything you do that is doing that. I don’t want to hear any response on that because I am not taking you serious. So you can’t say nothing. Even if you tried. My so called “delusion” is my gateway of where my destiny is and my calling. Sorry that you are missing out. Your problem not mind. I can’t share your empty scientific issues of failure of not arriving at the truth for life.

John: But just remember youíre guessing and you havenít come to any conclusions via logical methods.

I am not guessing, I live by Faith. Your loss. No need for logical input or output. It works.

John: The same applies for any conspiracy theory, they are just wild guesses, and if aliens are in cohesion with the US government and they believe an astronautís story, it doesnít mean anything more than they guessed correctly.

You have no idea, you don’t study, Freemasonry, Skull and Bones Society or even the Builderbergers nor the Satanists and Witches do you. Who all going about on how to control and try to ruin another under their folly, evil and scheming. Secret societies. Why secret ? What do they need to hide to necessarily ? Is it because they are doing what they daylight cannot bear ? Very likely and very much so.

John: “Thatís the difference between speculation and fact.”

No speculation, go join them and find out if I am lying.

John: “And donít let that make you assume that all your other guesses must then be correct. ”

My guesses are based on life experience and encounters with others and what they represent and do.

John: “The sign of intelligence is not to wildly guess and hope on of them is right, but to search for answers collecting evidence which forms proof.”

It is based on collecting evidence and it is proven. I guess you have not figured out yet.

John: “Yes and they all donít need religion either for all of this.”

They don’t need religion, but they do need, Jesus. The End.

November 29, 2008 at 1:23 pm
(57) KJ says:

At Ray,

What have you brought in to stabilize the so called “imaginative rifts” here ?

N. O. T. H. I. N. G.

November 29, 2008 at 1:34 pm
(58) KJ says:

John says:

“We have to get over religion completely as a species, as theyíre a prime cause of war and current hardships. Other than that people use religion as an excuse to murder and such it is a guilty component of disgusting human nature.”

We are waiting for John to stand in front of the picket line and pull the whole crowd to do so….. so we can point out you are a bald-faced liar. True application of believe in God is NOT a cause of war and current hardships. It’s a big fat lie.

Interpretation and wrong application is. The same can be said about science or any other thing that is applied wrongly. Anyone who reads your posts can clearly see you are the aggressor here of fanatic anti-believe in God as a person to follow for their own good. It is likely that you have been hurt by too many people that have done you wrong somehow or someway and you are just too full of yourself that what you say is the answer to all problems in this world.

Read this ! You and your convictions are not the answer to it. Rather you are the contributer of making it more worse and failure.

Who did I kill, come again ?

November 29, 2008 at 2:04 pm
(59) Ray says:

KJ you really do harp on..I didn’t actually come on here for an argument this is just my opinion.. Anyway looks like i’ll be going with all those other sinners to the firey pits of hell because I have a different opinion of the bible..The funny thing is I was introduced to Christianity at some stage in my life, but I realized there was a spark inside us that didn’t need to be led by a book that has been manipulated for hundreds of years and became a seeker of the truth..Well incredibly, without losing the spirituality that we all possess common sense showed me the truth.. So be happy in your life and try not to preach too much..Anyway I’m done with all this now on this blog..Maybe I’ll catch you on another blog at some later date..Adios

November 29, 2008 at 6:01 pm
(60) KJ says:

Ray, No-one told here on this blog you are going to hell, you pretty do that all by yourself.

November 30, 2008 at 8:06 am
(61) subotind says:

i think yuou are not look at the bible enough good. in bible whas many times writen that to god was create whall universe . so the answer is that to cretionists talk only about a creation of the life oh earth when they talk about “creationism” , but they are not spread their storu on the other beings ! fact is that they just “missed” to talk aboutthis , but it is clear that to alliens are allso goods creation but from the other dimensions of egzisting . they are – “fallen angels” and other beings that ate not righteous beings , and they are evill!

December 1, 2008 at 5:17 am
(62) Rusty Fingers says:

I’ve read that all human life originated in the constilation Lyra, and that after a galactic war won by the lesser beings, who just happened to be expert geneticists, we were reduced from our former glory of 12 strands of DNA to only 2 strands so that we could more easily be their slaves. This planet was designed to hold only 500 million, by the way, and it’s due for a pruning, from what I read.

December 1, 2008 at 8:49 am
(63) LIezyl says:

Remember that the Bible said Satan is beautiful angel.

December 1, 2008 at 10:09 am
(64) John says:

Correction: 6.7 billion people on Earth. Some folks seem to be breeding like rabbits. Maybe WW3 will cull a lot of the asian stock of humans, that seems to be where growth is most rapid. Could you do a deal with the devil and get them to just cull them and leave Europe alone. White Europeans are dying off anyway, so no need to cull any of us. Europe is turning into brown Islamic republics. I don’t mind some of the S. Asian genes introduced in the UK, a lot of their women are really nice, it’s just the Islamic cultures we mustn’t give in to.

December 1, 2008 at 10:15 am
(65) John says:

kj said “Anyone who reads your posts can clearly see you are the aggressor here of fanatic anti-believe in God”

Give me a reason to believe. The ball is in your court, it’s the person making the claim that has to prove it. I don’t keep telling to look out for ufos and to believe in aliens, that’s because I can’t prove it. So let it go, religious fanatics can never convince intelligent people unless they can come up with some proof.

“It is likely that you have been hurt by too many people that have done you wrong somehow or someway and you are just too full of yourself that what you say is the answer to all problems in this world.”

Same old garbage by you, change the tune it’s boring. Reading a bible doesn’t help the world.

December 1, 2008 at 2:53 pm
(66) Star-Dust says:

l think that they are the offspring of the fallen angels, like satan and his followers

December 1, 2008 at 3:50 pm
(67) KJ says:

John…..

You seem to enjoy that some people get culled from reading your former posts. It’s very very close to if not racism. So yes, aggression. Proof.

I always told you, Reading……………. then applying it practically. It’s a good thing. Believe me.

Reading bible and applying it what it says, does help the world. There are plenty things in there that are good for everyone to live by. So I will stand with the fact that the bible is good for everyone, even you.

It’s not boring, your life is. lol.

Kicks the ball back hard in your court. Now show yourself as a real Pelť. Oops, he is colored. Can’t fit in your vision, does it now ?

December 1, 2008 at 5:07 pm
(68) Lauriate Roly. says:

I’m a little surprised that KJ and John aren’t mentioned in the essay from ‘Panacee says’.
I found that the submission by Panacee seems to fit right in with what turns out to be an exceedingly boring discussion, dominated by KJ and John. I don’t know why they have taken over the column to argue between themselves, much to the consternation of many fans hoping to read comments directed more towards extraterrestrial and UFO matters.
Personally, I choose to more or less just give up trying to follow their ridiculous manifestations, and simply stop reading their diatribes. Too bad because they are both quite articulate and display definite talents for debating. Obviously they don’t run out of things to say, as many of us have observed over the past few Newsletters from Billy.
By the way, regarding the essay by Panacee…I think I will copy that, and keep it in my “crap book”.

December 1, 2008 at 5:32 pm
(69) Abe Froman says:

In the Hebrew Bible, in Genesis, the text refers to several “worlds” that were created and destroyed as God was creating sentient Mankind. Linguistically, that could apply to Earth as well as to other planets, but the Tanach sticks to this planet.

With that in mind, other sentient lifeforms are not a theological problem. Indeed, we should probably expect to find beings older than ourselves, because the Torah alludes to this.

December 1, 2008 at 5:45 pm
(70) Rip Parker says:

Biblical Literalists have been, and continue to be, out of touch with consensus reality and verifiable fact. Living in their own reality, they would most likely think alien life to be a creation of the Devil, evil to be opposed at all costs. Their belief system trumps all rational thought and logic.

December 1, 2008 at 6:39 pm
(71) Kara says:

I have read the bible and it does say that all life is to be created in his image. How do you then explain the animals on this planet and also aliens? Why cant god create without discrimination to the looks and thoughts of how some beings live everyday? But personally, creationism is just a way for the church to have power and make the rich richer. I believe in god, but not for that purpose, or that bible.

December 1, 2008 at 7:08 pm
(72) Scott L. felton says:

While I am an atheist and find belief in an almighty entity anathema, I do acknowledge that others believe in a divine creationist – God. As I live in a democracy which tolerates freedom of religious expression, I tolerate those who believe in God in whatever form he takes.

Christians, Jews, Muslims; they are all believers in and worshippers of, the same fundamental thing. I just happen to think such are a bit primitive and the fundamentalists in all the major religions are really stone age.

My understanding is that God created Man in his image. Logically therefore, that would make Earth unique, us unique (as is our dominance over other ‘lesser’ creatures on this world)and, by definition, unique in the whole universe. That being so, God either created all other life out there, or he didn’t.

As a science oriented person and one who disputes many of the peripheral claims by some peripheral branches of Ufology, extra terrestrial life forms, will look nothing like any human. For an extraterrestrial biological entity to even step out of his spaceship and breathe our air, it would require identical evolution, on an identical world and that is a statistical and biological even chemical impossibility.

There is a direct correlation between encounters with aliens of the most bizarre types, and their invention in the minds of science fiction writers. The UFO world has been stung several times over the years by idiots claiming abduction and contact with aliens using terminology that has been leaked into the UFO community by serious psychologists and trouble making debunkers.

It has long been known that the established Churches and their upper echelon clerics and I particularly single out the Catholic Church here, are fully aware of extra terrestrial visitation to our world. They too are part of the silence and the cover ups.

Their lemming like congregations of course would view a landing alien race as a challenge to God. If they had Gods, mainstream churches would do what they do best, and move the goal posts to accommodate the new scientific discoveries that continue to undermine them. In this case, they could reconcile with the aliens and say what I said above, they too have Gods, which are probably just the same thing.

The trouble will come when the little green man steps out of his spaceship and states there is no God. Ignoring the fact that ET might actually be correct being more advanced and thus having a better understanding of the Universe, he/she/it would immediately be portrayed as some manifestation of evil if it announced that there was no God.

That will statistically be the case and while millions might feel their faiths threatened, the Church will be more worried about losing its grip on power and controlling their flocks. Think of all the money it will lose.

Any alien race overtly landing here, peacefully, but without religion, will soon find itself framed by the clerics and before long will be embroiled in bloody conflict with humanity.

The most sensible option for the Church is to back the conspiring governments and be part of the cover up. The longer it helps keep ET at bay and away from humanity, the longer it will reign.

There are several principle threats to the ET hypothesis:
Cover up governments,
Cover up religious organisations,
Fundamentalist fanatics within all religions,
UFO enthusiasts who know nothing of science.

In the case of this latter, they are aiding and abetting the cover up merchants.

Since the time dot, aliens have been nothing more than extra tgerrestrial biological entities travelling about in advanced machines. In other words, living organisms which in some way, are born, live and die. En route they can be injured or killed prematurely, just like us and any other living thing.

If they were super beings, or entities from another dimension, or shape shifters or whatever, they would be ‘alien’ perhaps, but not necessarily extra terrestrial and definitely not ‘little green men’, which is and still are the original aliens. Why else would us primitive humans be able to shoot down such advanced god-like creatures?

We can, because they are nothing special other than being more technologically advanced than us.

Scott L. Felton
Conwy UFO Group, North Wales, UK.

http://www.conwyufogroup.piczo.com

December 1, 2008 at 7:30 pm
(73) KJ says:

Scott says:

“The most sensible option for the Church is to back the conspiring governments and be part of the cover up. The longer it helps keep ET at bay and away from humanity, the longer it will reign.

There are several principle threats to the ET hypothesis:
Cover up governments,
Cover up religious organisations,
Fundamentalist fanatics within all religions,
UFO enthusiasts who know nothing of science.”

That is completely incorrect. No True Church of God, will back up conspiring governments unless they were born out of Freemasonry, Skull and Bones Society etc etc.

And UFOlogists and Atheists are not fanatics ?

There is no threat, it is all imaginative. Just because certain things are not accepted by other groups does NOT mean this is true.

December 1, 2008 at 7:58 pm
(74) Preston says:

Newly tanslated Sumarian clay tablets identify the Anunake race that came to this planet approximately ten thousand years ago from the planet Nibiru that is on an ofset eliptical orbit that passes between earth and mars every 3,600 years. The next passage of this planet, sometimes called planet X,will be in December of 2012.

December 1, 2008 at 8:36 pm
(75) KJ says:

This post exists out of 2 parts this is part I,

Roly Poly has not noticed that we (John and I) constantly debate about UFO’s and Aliens and far and away planets. Only to see that we looking at it from different viewpoints. Which I think this blog is asking for to be debated.

I do it from Intellectus Fidei, John does it, umm yeah, where does John do it from ? I have no idea. He still has not been able to beat me one way or another. He has sincere hopes though that one day he scientifically can. lol.

About Biblical Literalists is not applicable to me. I rather see it from practical view and application.

Further I would like Rip Parker to elaborate where he bases his assumption that Alien life is created somewhere somehow at some point ?

Saying that my belief system of Faith is irrational in thought and logic is not a fact that applies of my way of lifestyle.

If he finds that my lifestyle is not appealing to him or her, there is no reason or ground to say that a belief system is irrational in thought and logic.

What he (Rip) wants to say is simply this:

In a proof by contradiction we assume, along with the hypotheses, the logical negation of the result we wish to prove, and then reach some kind of contradiction. That is, if we want to prove “If P, Then Q”, we assume P and Not Q. The contradiction we arrive at could be some conclusion contradicting one of our assumptions, or something obviously untrue like 1 = 0.

This is particular strong in certain type of groups, whether they hang onto science, religion, alien and ufo’s. What they have seen as their comfort zone that is what they will bring forward as the truth about something they do or live in.

I call it simple “boxology”, thinking inside the box instead of out the box regarding the truth that can be coming in the form that anyone is thinking is the truth for them and pathways.

However in order to have no contradiction there shouldn’t be humans involved into this equation. As many as their are humans, as many there are opinions.

John likes to harp on, you might be wrong, your might be wrong, in what you believe. Sure, of-course, this could be true, but for others this does not have to be true because they simply don’t believe that what another says is true. We can go around in circles like that on and on as a merry-go-round.

John wants the facts and he wants to hang his hat upon it. But how does he know that he can hang his hat upon something that might not be there after all even if it is proven or made to a fact.

I do not live by the limitations of facts, facts are restricting and inflexible, they suffocate creative out of the box thinking and living in faith and the miraculous. Living in the insecurity of a faith belief is the most hardest thing there is. If you don’t believe me, then see if you try it out. Anyone who has walked on water must know this is the most exciting thing there is to do. This is only laid away for the most die hard people living in the transparent world of faith exercise.

Ummm, I would not want to handle Roly Poly’s “crap book” I believe that after handling it, “Now, go and wash your hands !!” is applicable here.

I appreciate that Roly Poly has articulated our debate skills we have to a tee. It is expedient that we are “smarty pants”. hehe.

The Hebrew word for Worlds = Aion, which means age/and or 1.) perpetually, incessantly
2) invariably, at any and every time: when according to the circumstances something is or ought to be done again.

Also in the Hebrew book of the bible it says:

Hebrew 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed HEIR of all things, by whom also he made the WORLDS;

Hebrew 11:3 Through FAITH we understand that the WORLDS were FRAMED by the word of God, so that things which are SEEN were not made of things which do APPEAR.

The World is a proper noun for the planet Earth envisioned from an anthropocentric or human worldview, as a place inhabited by human beings. It is often used to signify the sum of human experience and history, or the ‘human condition’ in general. There are approximately 6.6 billion (or 6600 million) people living on the Earth.

Now the explanation of the Worlds. These are not just planets and the universe which is assumed again.

See Next Post II

December 1, 2008 at 8:37 pm
(76) KJ says:

This is Post II and belongs to Post I up here,
But simply this:

There are Four Worlds which are:

- The Northen World

The Northern Hemisphere or northern hemisphere is the half of a planet that is north of the equator the word hemisphere literally means ‘half ball’. It is also that half of the celestial sphere north of the celestial equator. Earth’s northern hemisphere contains most of the land and about 90% of the human population.

- The Eastern World

The term Eastern world refers very broadly to the various cultures, social structures and philosophical systems of “the East”, namely Asia (including China, India, Japan, the Middle East, and surrounding regions).

- The Western World

The term Western world, the West or the Occident (Latin occidens -sunset, -west, as distinct from the Orient) can have multiple meanings dependent on its context (e.g., the time period, or the social situation). Accordingly, the basic definition of what constitutes the West will vary, expanding and contracting, in relation to various circumstances. The historic West originated in the Mediterranean (ancient Greece and ancient Rome), but it came to include Central and Western Europe, although does include the whole of Europe as well as all of Russia (except during the U.S.S.R. era when considered part of the East). Linguistically the frontier would run as far as the Indian Subcontinent. Since Columbus the notion of the West has expanded to include the Americas, through much of Latin America’s more pre-Western cultural influence. As well Australia, New Zealand, the Philippines and South Africa are cultural hubs due to colonization. However during the Cold War the core of the West was often confined to N.A.T.O. countries. Today, in a political or economic context, perhaps the West would also include developed and fast developing countries such as Japan, Taiwan, India and South Korea, etc. In a world religious context, some would include those faiths acknowledging Abraham, however this umbrella’s Islamic countries into the category as well. Western society has survived and evolved due greatly to the efforts of the Greeks, Romans, more recently the European empires, and more notably the British Empire. Generally speaking, the current consensus would locate the West in, at the very least, the cultures and peoples of the mainlands Europe, the two Americas, Australia, and New Zealand.

- The Southern World

The Southern Hemisphere or southern hemisphere is the half of a planet that is south of the equatoróthe word hemisphere literally means ‘half ball’. It is also that half of the celestial sphere south of the celestial equator.Earth’s southern hemisphere contains five continents (Antarctica, Australia, most of South America, parts of Africa and of Asia), and four oceans (South Atlantic, Indian, South Pacific, and Southern). Due to the tilt of Earth’s rotation relative to the Sun and the ecliptic plane, Summer is December 21 through March 21 and winter is June 21 through to September 21.

Which is totally and simple to understand for anyone and that is what it is. It is what it is.

Further we have these as well.

- American world
- Arctic world
- Eurasian world
- African world
- Asian world
- Central American world
- European world
- Latin American world
- North American world
- Pacific World
- South American world
- Arab world
- Sub-Saharan world
- Chinese world (Sinosphere)
- Indian world (Indian subcontinent, Indosphere)
- Russian world

ARE THESE NOT ENOUGH WORLDS FOR EVERYONE ??????

In these worlds that is where we live. Not outside in other planets.

The world; that is, the planet Earth.

Other planets are all found inhabitable so far that the Hubble telescope has revealed. Why would the Aliens live on a planet or milky ways that is far, far and far away ? Is me a mystery because it does not make sense, only for those who keep believing there might be something out there. Far, far, far, far, furthest away. When the time is there when they can see clearly the Pleiades where the so called “Aliens” hiding, they will say, noooo, it is even further away, behind the Pleiades, mawhahahahhaha, Watch me on that one. Very convenient and very plausible too.

That is what is meant by the Worlds, other decriptions from the Kabbalah (I am not endorsing this) talks again about Four Worlds. Hence I am right and that is what is and nothing else. Basta. Save yourself some energy and do something good for another person in this world will ya ? You will have your hands full with them, trust me.

Thanks,

December 1, 2008 at 8:54 pm
(77) The Flying Fisherman says:

If one reads the Bible while studying it one should know that Elohim in the context of Genesis is in a singular sense. It was used to show the majesty of God. It does not mean many gods as some are trying to say. I am not sure what “image” means in Genesis. It could mean a spiritual image not physical image. As we read the Bible we find that God created many beings and based on the descriptions not all looked alike. So He could have created other intelligent beings that do not look exactly like us. The alien Greys that I met were humanoid. They stood upright and walked on two legs just as we do. They were not demons. I do believe that there is a real possibility that some evil spirits may pretend to be wise messengers from other planets. However, the ones that are abducting people are physical beings. The Bible is mainly a revelation from God to the people of this planet. An infinite God could have creations of many kinds else where.

December 1, 2008 at 9:40 pm
(78) KJ says:

To Explain Intellectus Fidei which I mentioned in former posts.

With regard to the Intellectus Fidei, a prime consideration must be that divine Truth ďproposed to us in the Sacred Scriptures and rightly interpreted by the Churchís teachingĒ enjoys an innate intelligibility, so logically consistent that it stands as an authentic body of knowledge. The Intellectus Fidei expounds this truth, not only in grasping the logical and conceptual structure of the propositions in which the Churchís teaching is framed, but also, indeed primarily, in bringing to light the salvific meaning of these propositions for the individual and for humanity. From the sum of these propositions, the believer comes to know the history of salvation, which culminates in the person of Jesus Christ and in his Pascha Mystery. Believers then share in this mystery by their assent of Faith and practical application.

There is no record of a Infinite God that has other creations and creatures on other planets directly written by Him personally as the Bible has that authenticity. The delivery of assumptions of those in text and word are uninspired and not spiritual induced by the Presence of God and the Holy Spirit but plain simple written by human beings intellect as assumption and accepted by groups, cultures, societies and tribes as a life standard.

The acceptation for a Zulu belief for example are: Ancester Worship, Superstition, The Sangoma, Burials, the Inyanga, are just are real for them as any other group that believes their own conviction of their own environment they grow up with.

Try to tell them about Aliens and UFO’s and they are just laughing just as hard as others who do not believe in it.

December 1, 2008 at 10:49 pm
(79) william longfellow says:

about the article allien beings not the childern of adam and eve,think,why would you belive that an allien from space would belive in the bible or the story about adam and eve,or even god for that matter.why woud you think that that would be possable?,just because you or I woud belive in the story or facts that link the story about adam and eve to this world,why wouldn*t you belive that all things are possable. you can belive this or not,how ever I will never tell how I came to know the following: once a long time a go,a ufo fell to earth and there was surviers and while they where in care of a group of fun loveing people they were tought about the bible and when asked about god they did not understand.But when they were asked about the sprit of life,that which gave the breath into their bodies,they looked up and pointted towards the heavens and space.
belive it or not 12/2008

December 1, 2008 at 11:41 pm
(80) KLS says:

Some people say that maybe god used evolution as part of his method to perfect creation. The assumption is always that god is not smart enough to do something right the first time. As Jody Foster said in “Contact”, it sure would be a waste of space to make all those stars and spread them across such a vast universe for no purpose. Creation is an aspect of a creator and creationism does not relate to time and space just as we are able to understand it. To think that god would not create other civilizations seems self-centered. The Earth is unusual in the fact that sin wrecked it and god was willing to send his son to the cross for those that would choose to accept this sacrifice.

December 2, 2008 at 2:35 am
(81) Namaste says:

After 67 trips around our star on this planet I grow more discourged about the future of the human race every day. Reading all the nonsense about God and Aliens written on the posts here leaves me wondering if humans can ever, really reach “civilized” status as a race. Of course, some writers are just having fun with the rest and some may be mentally ill. What worries me is that some really believe what they and others write. I believe most suffer from a lack of education and are the victims of a poor background which indoctrinated them in religious dogma, racial predjudice, superstitions, etc. It is sad.

December 2, 2008 at 8:20 am
(82) Eve says:

John, dont take things too personal. Incidentally the truth remains the truth whether you believe it or not! Gen 6 nephilims are talked about. I suggest you read KJ scriptural quotations and ask Jesus into your heart. KJ, mind filling me in on the lilith myth you mentioned in passing?

December 2, 2008 at 11:28 am
(83) erilla mouse says:

to #4 comment, yes we talking mice do exist, and we have been watching earth for many years, and abducting your women.

December 2, 2008 at 11:37 am
(84) KJ says:

Eve, The Lillith myth is too complicated to explain, not that it can’t be done by me, but in an already confused world this is not helpful. And I don’t think on this blog either.

Namaste looks only at the issue of how religion is described on the Wikipedia and then tells us like John does, This that and the other, will it ever be as I want it to be. Sad. Yes sad it is, that religion is confused by living in Faith and not believing in Aliens and UFO’s as Extraterrestrial.

Lack of education you said right ? Hah, don’t let me go into my background and explain what I have learned over more than 20 years.

And I am sick and tired of those people who say, “Ohh ur stupid, you don’t know anything and the like”. If you have something to say, then say it and stop cracking off on people you think they don’t know anything. Grow up will ya !

For KLS, Yes the universe is vast, I am glad that is so and that people have something to do, because otherwise people would even more at each others throat because of boredom and arguments. Very well thought through by a Designer Architect. Good for us. Only I wish they applied it for the Glory of Him instead of striking up all the honor all by themselves in what they have not been part of in the designing of it. Come on, all of us is only gasping at it complexity and uniqueness. No human or alien was involved by drawing it all out is it now ? If they were, prove it to me.

Does anyone understand the lifestyle living in Faith ? I explained it in all kinds of posts on here. Does anyone get something out of it or are they only looking their own things to represent here ?

The power lies in to get into other peoples minds and what they are thinking and then extract and glean out of it what is useful. Simply saying, oh that is not up my street is not looking at it as you supposed to. Be a little braver and don’t look at one point of view, I have done it, why don’t you. Unless you are so insecure about what you represent yourself.

There is no evolution, there is only adaption. There is nowhere found anything that had a transition of evolution of what is discovered in archeology, the only excuse is always, billions of years, while no-one possesses the technology that the earth is billions of years old.

I have seen and spoken to archeologists and asked them questions about a worn out river bank and the sediments, none of them could guarantee me that over a period of time when there were different climates and temperatures that it would give the same result as measured as the assumptions they made as the earth is billions of years old.

Watch this.

In the “modern synthesis” of neo-Darwinism, which developed in the period from 1930 to 1950 with the reconciliation of evolution by natural selection and modern genetics, macroevolution is thought to be the combined effects of microevolutionary processes.

As I have said before, there is no evidence of a macro or micro transition proven of cells growing into a species. There is a big gap and the gap is filled by guessing this must be so, because where else would things come from they say.

The terms macro and micro evolution can be questioned simply because of this proof. Macroevolution means evolution (I rather would say adaption) on the grand scale, and it is mainly studied in the fossil records. It is contrasted with microevolution, the study of evolution over short time periods, such as that of a human lifetime or less. Microevolution therefore refers to changes in gene frequency within a population …. Macroevolutionary events events are much more likely to take millions of years. Macroevolution refers to things like the trends in horse evolution … or the origin of major groups, or mass extinctions. Etc. etc.

Prove me the transition between cells into species and from species to different species on a short or long timescale. The excuse “this takes place over millions of years” will not do. No-one lived that long, no-one can show me any evidence of the above open questions. It simply is downright ludicrous. I have said before there is a “signature” stamped on every cell that exists even the most simplest one, which clearly points out to a creator or designer. Most biologists point out to this confidently. Only to let them admit this comes from a Higher Intelligence is simple destroying their moneymaking, book endorsing lifestyle on which they make a living in the jobs they profess. Which is hypocritical. Not all of them are like that though. But many are, especially those who are Atheists.

You can jump up and down what you want regarding this so called proofs, I will prove you to be wrong. I do my homework and I am not afraid to stand for it.

December 2, 2008 at 12:15 pm
(85) yar-man says:

Namaste get off your high chair and give us all an education then. If your as clever as you make out to be, then i’m sure we will all be captivated.

December 2, 2008 at 1:33 pm
(86) Scott L. Felton says:

Atheists might engage in warfare, but they do not wage war on others because of their religious beliefs. They will however wage retaliatory war on religious zealots who murder in the name of their theoretical gods and threaten atheism.

God is relative. And no God is more valid or invalid as the next. I just happen to think religious people are gullible, insecure, superstitious cavemen who have no relevence to the 21st century. However, I believe in democracy and freedom of speech, so I tolerate them.

Yes, even Ufology has fanatics who are as dedicated to their cause as are followers of different religions. I also happen to think that the extremists within Ufology do the subject no favours.

Scott L. Felton.
Conwy UFO Group. North Wales, UK.

http://www.conwyufogroup.piczo.com

December 2, 2008 at 1:50 pm
(87) Scott L. Felton. says:

And another thing.

After reading some of the pro God stuff on this forum, which in the main slants towards the Christian Bible, I can see why certain extremists in other religions might see it justified to wage war on the Christian/Jewish west.

Some of it is highly provocative and with the ‘my God is the one true God’ mindset, little wonder conflict arises.

Virtually all wars are fought over religious divisions. If there were no religions, there would be no religious wars. I’m not saying humans would not fight over other things, but the majority of armed conflicts just would not happen.

Scott L. Felton.
Conwy UFO Group. North Wales, UK.

http://www.conwyufogroup.piczo.com

December 2, 2008 at 4:16 pm
(88) Namaste says:

Thank you, Mr Felton for your comments. I do see some common sense on these posts from time to time. The problem with people like KJ is that they think they have all the answers. I don’t think anyone on this earth has all the answers. I certainly don’t believe the superstitious scribblings of a backward people who lived two thousand years ago. Biblical scholars have proved that the Old Testament was written by several authors, which accounts for the discrepancies. One author said the flood was caused when God made it rain 40 days and night. Another said 150 days. Can’t both be right can they. Just one example. As to evolution, KJ I have yet to see any real scientific knowledge displayed in your writings. You obviously know nothing of how evolution works and how it is the foundation for most of what has been discovered in the last 200 years or so. Without it there would be no modern medicine, genetic engineering, geology, anthropology, etc. Everything evolves or it dies. Including knowledge.

December 2, 2008 at 4:31 pm
(89) KJ says:

Scatt said:

“After reading some of the pro God stuff on this forum, which in the main slants towards the Christian Bible, I can see why certain extremists in other religions might see it justified to wage war on the Christian/Jewish west.”

Nowhere I advocate aggression in the name of Religion. First of all I don’t think the practice of religion does represent the true application of a life of faith that comes out of applying biblical principles.

Biblical principals are good for mankind. It gives people more tolerance towards others especially when you can forgive another for wrongdoing and turn the other cheek and love your neighbour as yourself. Why is this so wrong in a setting of true religion ? I am Pro-forgiving another person, but I am also Pro-Justice and being justified when another attacks for no reason. Being tolerate is something to root for, but being tolerant to challenge and provoke not.

Scatt said:

“Some of it is highly provocative and with the Ďmy God is the one true Godí mindset, little wonder conflict arises.”

Are that questions that you can’t answer Scatt ? Like: How does an atheist assign meaning to human activity? Is all meaning subjective, or do some activities have self-evident and objective worth and meaning. If so, what are these activities, and how to you arrive at their value and for whom ?

Or, what type of government does atheistic philosophy translate into?

What about metaphysics? Is atheism purely materialistic and naturalistic? Is seems to me that Atheists are particularly materialistic and naturalistic. What cause is there that the manual of Atheism should be applied for if the Bible is not good enough with all that is good for this world besides warring over it with other people ?

Scatt said: “Virtually all wars are fought over religious divisions. If there were no religions, there would be no religious wars. Iím not saying humans would not fight over other things, but the majority of armed conflicts just would not happen.”

So Scatt you are sincerely thinking that if we follow the “Atheist book of rules” we will not have conflicts. Well you said something in such manner. Sorry, I have to laugh. Mawhahahahahhaha. Now to ridicule you but at the belief you endorsing the world would look better without believing that is good. Now that is a funny one. How about differing of opinions, argument and application is the cause of all conflict. I am convinced the same thing would happen in the wake of armed conflicts that would follow out of that. You really think that Atheists are the way to go ? Hmmm Hitler was not a “christian” or catholic like many would like us to believe and think, but a pure unadulterated Atheist, Mao Tse Teong was an Atheist, Stalin was an Atheist. Pol Pot was.

“If we would destroy the Christian religion, we must first of all destroy man’s belief in the Bible.” -Voltaire

What about Anthony Flew who changes his mind ? Scatt. He was one of the most famous Atheists of all time in the here and now.

Why is Richard Dawkins not following in his footsteps, who in his ever enduring quest to prove otherwise, is now also coming to the conclusion that there are “signatures” in cells which direct to a higher intelligence. I guess Richard likes his full kitty to give up his endless book writing and hanging on Neo Darwinism. Why does Richard not do any investigation of theories of his own, I have found his book most amusing, The God Delusion, just to conclude that he constantly is quoting from others and teaching instead of what he himself is knowing. Is incapable to answer a genuine Email that I sent to him to explain why of the 450 odd pages in the God Delusion that he wrote is only 8 percent a opinion of his own, the rest is quotations scraped together elsewhere. I think that answer has to span some evolutionary or adaption time before he will answer this in a billion light-year from now. Maybe some imaginary Aliens will bring us the clay tablets about the answer when they are ready to “finally” visit our “miserable” planet they left behind in a rush after imaginary creating it.

Let me quote it to you Scatt what Anthony said: Anthony Flew: There were two factors in particular that were decisive. One was my growing empathy with the insight of Einstein and other noted scientists that there had to be an Intelligence behind the integrated complexity of the physical Universe. The second was my own insight that the integrated complexity of life itself Ė which is far more complex than the physical Universe Ė can only be explained in terms of an Intelligent Source.

Let me put it forward, Scatt: I personally think the origins of the laws of nature and of life and the Universe point clearly to an intelligent Source. The burden of proof is on those who argue to the contrary.

The problem with my encounter is with anyone who has a strong opinion and has put themselves in a certain sociological group that somehow the fact is or must be, what what ever group endorses must be the answer to our daily problems and issues. I still have to find any group that has the total solution what we are facing in the 21st century. This is so far, bar none. I truly think and am convinced that no-one has the answer, whether they are insecure-secure, superstitious-convinced, intolerant-tolerant, and the like. Just because I know there is none. What I do know is this, we are in the same boat and the issue here is to take the oars and rudder as hard as possible at the command of someone who is a leader and knows to get us out of the problems. And it ain’t the far, far, away Aliens. It is up to us. This makes us the hero’s that lives inside to conquer any conflict and problems that we face and bring it to a good end. This means: Not by force, not by might but by my Spirit says the Lord. Those who live by the Spirit are gentle, patient, kind, loving, helpful, held back, strong like horses, humble and a source of encouragement for those who are not so fortunate. Not of wars, warmongering and bloodshed.

December 2, 2008 at 4:36 pm
(90) KJ says:

Oops, I saw that I used Scatt instead of Scott. Scatt is the little squirrel in Ice Age.

http://www.iceagemovie.com/

lololol.

December 2, 2008 at 5:09 pm
(91) KJ says:

Namaste says:

“The problem with people like KJ is that they think they have all the answers. ”

Nowhere I made such a claim, nor do I endorse such a thing in real life either
.
Namaste throws out the gauntlet: “As to evolution, KJ I have yet to see any real scientific knowledge displayed in your writings.”

Nameste says even more: “You obviously know nothing of how evolution works and how it is the foundation for most of what has been discovered in the last 200 years or so. Without it there would be no modern medicine, genetic engineering, geology, anthropology, etc. Everything evolves or it dies. Including knowledge.”

Laughs really hard, Now that is what I am talking about. Namaste. It is not an issue if I know anything The fact is, you have not said anything that is related to anything regarding the so called evolution. You just went around the space ladder around our star 67 times in your former post. Mawhahahahahahaha. Meaning ? Time for the Valium tablet, perhaps ?

Namaste: Give me proof of your “evolving knowledge” assumption and instigation. Or do you mean on the fly altered knowledge on the variation of the theme and on what already exists. And where one sees fit when they feel like is applicable for the day and a group of yes men accepts it the Eureka god of knowledge acquired and on that the big wigs say amen ? Oh and if it dies, bring in the undertaker and bury it will ya, it might give a bad odor.

December 2, 2008 at 5:51 pm
(92) erilla mouse says:

To the #4 comment, we talking mice do exist, and we plan to abduct you

December 2, 2008 at 11:11 pm
(93) Dale says:

Wow! This topic has produced a firestorm! In time we’ll find the answers to the alien / u.f.o. presense…until then we have to be on guard with any information we receive once disclosure is upon us because even when our government decides its time to tell the people what this is all about, there is no promise we’ll know the truth even then.

December 3, 2008 at 2:01 am
(94) Namaste says:

KJ wrote:

“And where one sees fit when they feel like is applicable for the day and a group of yes men accepts it the Eureka god of knowledge acquired and on that the big wigs say amen ?”

This is gibberish as it most of what you say. I see no need in commenting on the posts of anyone who makes no sense at all.

Namaste

December 3, 2008 at 3:54 am
(95) John says:

Haha there’s no point reading KJ’s comments anymore, not even a crazy person would understand him

December 3, 2008 at 4:49 pm
(96) Larry says:

One must first acknowledge that god exists. There is no evidence supporting that assumption; never has been, never will be. Like a bumper sticker I recently saw: “evolution is a fact; god is just a theory.”

We don’t know who wrote the bible. Probably one or more religious zealots pushing their beliefs, not unlike what’s taking place today.

We haven’t been on this planet long enough to have many answers. Of course there are those among us that think they do. These are the truly naive and gullible.

December 4, 2008 at 6:12 am
(97) stephen says:

I believe that god created everything in the universe and beyond and then he created Christians just as a joke.

December 4, 2008 at 11:32 am
(98) Namaste says:

Well said, Larry. The nice thing about science is that nothing is certain. Some things have a degree of probability that make them almost certain. The sun will rise in the east for instance. But we live in a dynamic changing universe, solar system and world. Some believe there may be many universes. Some say they may be outside this one, some say parallel, in a different dimension. The thing is, the real world is exciting and unpredictable. It is a shame that many people want to deny the realities of science for a fantasy world of religion and superstition.

Like the proverbial ostrich hiding his head in the sand, they ignore the truth or they are unable to comprehend the complexities of the real world. I believe most are just too lazy to try to understand.

Religion is based in fear and the pursuit of power. Humans are afraid of their immortality and the “church” uses that fear to control the masses for their own purposes. Look at the televangelists living in the the million dollar homes with expensive cars for instance. The hypocrisy of the deception disgusts and amazes me. That people allow themselves to be used by others so blatantly is a mystery to me. I could go on, but for now,

Namaste

December 7, 2008 at 4:34 pm
(99) KJ says:

Namaste says: “Religion is based in fear and the pursuit of power. Humans are afraid of their immortality and the ďchurchĒ uses that fear to control the masses for their own purposes. Look at the televangelists living in the the million dollar homes with expensive cars for instance. The hypocrisy of the deception disgusts and amazes me. That people allow themselves to be used by others so blatantly is a mystery to me. I could go on, but for now,”

INCORRECT !!!!!, The government of the USA and UK does that with their red alerts on terrorism and money laundering of people on Wall Street. 9/11 was the first step to do that, Credit Crunch is the second step. The threat of WW III is the next. This is all blame all on a lifestyle of greed and evil in where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the poor are becoming the slaves of the rich to bail them out. Get your facts right.

Don’t confuse the real christian people who do not instill fear in people, but instill peace and love in the heart of others with their kindness, love and compassion.

There is a scripture that says in the bible and that is what real christians believe and do.

THERE IS NO FEAR IN LOVE, BUT PERFECT LOVE CASTS OUT FEAR, BECAUSE FEAR HAS TORMENT. HE THAT FEARS IS NOT MADE PERFECT IN LOVE. That is what the government exploits, FEAR and abuse of POWER !

You are a liar, full of rubbish and a accuser of people, who have nothing to do what you just said here above, Namaste

And about Larry…. he knows zip about the Holy Spirit in what He does, how He works and what He is capable of. Like most people who brag about how big a head they have with perishing knowledge about this world. You can see the mess all around you, as a proof of it, in how much they know. Nothing, nada, niks, njiente, noppes then endless data banks with crapola. Those who claim to have the so called knowledge have nothing proven then destruction so far over the centuries. It’s not the true loving tolerant christians that are the cause of it, but those who are greedy, evil, exploiting scientists that go to the core of being their own god. (exceptions accepted from my side who want to do good in some areas, this I mean are, those who help the poor to get out of poverty without charging them crazy amounts of money they never can afford in a lifetime, those that are helping in the medical world to get people a cure for diseases, those that are helping to make room and houses for those and the underprivileged. Perhaps some more.) But those that are sucking out the world with their greed and evil, they all can take a hike for my part.

Today I saw Mike Evans who has been visiting to 52 states men in the world and how he told that not ONE of them believes in the true message of Jesus Christ, which is of Love, Kindness, Tolerance, Oneness, Salvation, Truth, Helping and all that. Most of the 52 statesmen said and believe in, Mike Evans said, now it comes……in making war, oppression, fear tactics, twisting the law to their own contempt, the progress in science to make even more war and oppression in other countries who are so called a terror threat, manipulation of monies, stocks and bonds, and all those things. The love of money is the ROOT of ALL EVIL !!!! and not the believers in God.

I believe not ONE true Christian would per sue such horrible causes that is now the daily face of the world at large and is. But ofcourse you have to find an issue such as Religion, that is man made and come to think about it, all mankind is full of “religion which comes” in all the above standing forms and has nothing to do with the Good Message of God as I described in the paragraph before here.

December 7, 2008 at 4:37 pm
(100) KJ says:

A little about Mike Evans for those who do not know him.
Who Is Dr. Mike Evans?

Michael David Evans is an award-winning syndicated journalist who has served as a confidant to leaders in the Middle East for more than two decades. He has appeared on hundreds of network television and radio shows including Good Morning, America, Cross Fire, Nightline, The Good Morning Show (Great Britain), and appears frequently on the Fox Network, CNN World News, NBC, ABC, and CBS. Mike Evans has won more than fifteen national awards for his prime time specials based on his books.

December 7, 2008 at 4:49 pm
(101) KJ says:

And to proof that Namaste is wrong. Let EVERYONE LOOK at this video.

http://www.thefinalmovebeyondiraq.com/terror.html

Is this what true Christians do ?????????

Let everyone know once and for all who accuse christians for war. This is what Americans do in the name of Progress and Science. No thanks. I hope that everyone who has something against real christians know that this is what the world has to offer.

December 7, 2008 at 7:29 pm
(102) dorisse says:

God created everything in the Universe, period. However, if in fact the Greys or E.T.’s are practicing cloning then an aberration of God’s original creation plan could be taking place and hybrid beings could be created. The Bible refers to the Nephilim (a hybrid race) that God destroyed in the Great Flood…so, he may have a similar cataclysmic plan to put an end to all of the cross breeding that is currently going on. Our Bible only covers the last 6,000 years of human history…what happened in the eons of time before that? We are created in God’s image…that’s important. We were created immortal…lost our immortality in the Garden and regained it later through the work of Christ. We, humankind, seem to be the prize in the midst of some really important cosmic battle. We are told we are to inherit the Kingdom of God and that in our glorified form in heaven even the angels are in awe of us. What if these aliens want a piece of that? What if they are trying to capture that for their children by trying to counterfeit being human? Why did Jesus command us to drink his blood and eat his flesh unless it was take in God’s DNA so that none of this alien counterfeiting would work? Something to think about, isn’t it?

December 7, 2008 at 7:32 pm
(103) KJ says:

I have got something to say to the scientist who think they can control it all with their science discovery.

Watch this:

While scientists may point to climate change as being a contributing factor to the downfall of empires of the region, the Bible declares that it is a sign of judgement upon them from the Almighty. Concerning the nation of Israel, the Lord pronounced a series of specific blessings and cursings that would be poured out upon the land, in response to the obedience or disobedience of the people to His commandments. The very first blessing in the passage is concerning the amount of precipitation the land would receive…

Leviticus 26:3-5
If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.

The cursing that would come in response to Israel’s disobedience would be proportionate to the opportunities they had been given to repent of their sins.

Leviticus 26:18-20
And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass: And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.

Our weather systems have literally been screaming at us that God’s judgement is on its way, but our politicians have chosen to ignore these warnings, writing them off as an environmental issue rather than a moral one. Last year we witnessed record-breaking extreme weather, with worldwide torrential flooding, devastating snow falls and killer heat waves. The extreme weather also brought with it record-breaking oil and food prices and severe drought to many parts of the world. This year we are witnessing the greatest global financial depression since the 1930s. Of course we have had some respite, just as God gave Israel space to repent. But instead of using the opportunity to repent of our sins, like Pharaoh, we have only hardened our hearts. We have said, “Who is the Lord that I may obey His voice?”, Exodus 5:2. But the Lord will execute judgement against all the gods of Egypt. Is this fear tactics ? No, just what is the reality, the facts unfolding in front of you. And there is more to come, Earthquakes that will tear the USA apart, Tornado’s with a speed of 350 km an hour. Next year. Now you know.

2nd Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will HEAL their land.

Notice something in this verse? God waits for you. Despite our sins and their judgement, God still listens for those who are willing to turn away from their sins and cry out to Him forgiveness. He is still good, and ready to forgive, and plenteous in mercy to all who will call upon Him (Psalm 86:5). Why don’t you do it today. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved (Acts 16:31).

What has science done to stop all this ? Right totally nothing, nor are they capable of this either. Are all these scientists for real ? Do you really think your deliverance is up to science ? Can they stop earthquakes, can they stop hurricanes and alter their paths, can they stop epidemic scales of turmoil in the world ? Can they ? The only answer is to admit that you are wrong, wrong in every approach of thinking that you are the answer to all of this. Has anyone noticed that the hurricanes have stopped all of a sudden ? Why ? Because I believe that God controls them at the core. The word Katrina means pure, which means cleansing. New Orleans was cleansed. Ike means as in Isaac, laughter. Who laughs at the folly of mankind ? Who ? Who shall have them in derision ? Who ? You think it is the scientists ? The Aliens, the UFO’s, The Hare Krishna, Ha ! All they can do is describe it and that is it ! Scientists and everyone else forget that in the face of such incredible powers they are nobodies. Completely powerless.

December 7, 2008 at 7:57 pm
(104) KJ says:

Hey someone out there ? Watch this !!! You thought I was joking about WW III ? It is Ok if you think I am crazy. Good for you.

MOSCOW SENDS WARSHIPS ON MEDITERRANEAN TOUR, OFFERS LEBANON HEAVY WEAPONS.

DEBKAfile Special Report
December 7, 2008, 10:20 PM (GMT+02:00)

Russian nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov DEBKAfile’s military sources report that, four months after the Georgian war, Moscow is again testing the limits of its Mediterranean reach. Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo announced that two flotillas from the Barents Sea and the Black Sea are heading for the Mediterranean:

One, based in the Barents sea near Finland, is led by the Admiral Kuznetsov carrier accompanied by two guided missile destroyers, the Admiral Chabanenko and Admiral Levchenko, with two supply ships in tow, one a tanker.

The second is the guided nuclear-powered missile cruiser Peter the Great, one of the biggest warships afloat, with three accompanying ships. They come from a joint Caribbean exercise with Venezuela.
According to the Russian Navy spokesman, the two groups will merge upon entering the Mediterranean and spend several months calling in at various ports.

Another Russian military initiative which should worry Jerusalem is the arrival in Beirut Saturday Dec. 6 of Mikhail Dimitriev, head of the Russian military cooperation department, to prepare the visit to Moscow next week of Lebanese defense minister Elias Murr.

After greeting his Russian visitor, Murr said: “There are no obstacles in terms of equipping the army. We prepared for my visit to Russia next week. I will discussÖ with the Russian defense minister what could be provided to the Lebanese Air Force.”

Clearly, Moscow and Beirut are preparing the way for their first important arms transaction. DEBKAfile’s military sources report that on the table are sales of Russian tanks, missiles, helicopters, and possibly warplanes. Murr’s statement about no obstacles signals Washington that with Moscow ready and willing, Beirut is prepared to flout US opposition to the Lebanese army’s acquisition of heavy weapons for fear they may fall into Hizballah’s hands.

Gen. David Petraeus, head of the US Central Command, raised this concern during a surprise three-hour visit to Beirut last Tuesday, Dec. 2. His trip was prompted by intelligence that Lebanese president Michel Sleiman had been bidding in Tehran, Moscow and Paris, for heavy arms Ė tanks, warplanes and self-propelled artillery – for the army of which he was formerly chief of staff.

Gen. Petraeus warned prime minister Fouad Siniora and the new chief of staff Gen. Jean Qahwaji that the United States would not allow heavy weapons to reach Lebanon, irrespective of the source. It now looks as though Sleiman and Siniora are prepared to go out on a limb and defy Washington with Moscow’s help.

December 7, 2008 at 8:32 pm
(105) KJ says:

Keep laughing about KJ. I am such a joka. But it speaks for itself isn’t it ?

US MASSES NAVAL-AIR-MARINE MIGHT IN ARABIAN SEA OPPOSITE INDIA, PAKISTAN, IRAN.

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
December 1, 2008, 9:18 AM (GMT+02:00)

USS John Stennis carrier Three US aircraft carriers with strike groups, task forces and nuclear submarines have piled up in the waters of the Arabian Sea opposite the shores of India, Pakistan and Iran, and in the Persian Gulf.

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that the US began massing this formidable array of floating firepower at the outset of the Islamist terrorist attack on the Indian city of Mumbai last Wednesday, Nov. 26.

Tehran responded typically with a threat of retaliation should the Americans decide to use the Mumbai terrorist attack to hit Iran.

It is more likely, according to our military sources, that the Americans are on the ready in case the rising tensions between India and Pakistan over the New Delhi’s charge of Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai atrocity explodes into an armed clash on their border.

This is indicated by the units now deployed:

1. the USS John C. Stennis, which carries 80 fighter-bombers and 3,200 sailors and airmen and leads a strike group..
This carrier joins two already there, the USS Theodore Roosevelt, which patrols the northern Arabian Sea, part of whose strike group cruises opposite Iran’s southern coast; and the USS Iwo Jima, which carries a large marine contingent on board.

2. New to these waters, according to DEBKAfile’s military sources, is the Destroyer Squadron 50/CTF 55, which has two task forces: Patrol Forces Southwest Asia (PATFORSWA) for strikes against warships and the rapid deployment of marines to flashpoint arenas; and Mine Countermeasures Division 31, which stands ready to prevent New Delhi or Islamabad from mining the Arabian Sea routes connecting their ports. Those routes are vital waterways for US marine traffic supporting the war in Afghanistan.

3. To manage this armada, the command and control vessel, USS Mount Whitney, has been brought over from the Mediterranean.

4. Four nuclear submarines.
The arrival of the southwest Asian marine patrol carrier Stennis and the Mount Whitney to the Arabian Sea opposite Iran’s shores set alarm bells ringing in Tehran. Our Iranian sources note that the Islamic republic’s rulers remember that after al Qaeda’s attack on the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, the Americans did not only invade Afghanistan, but also Iraq and they fear a similar sideswipe.
The Iranian chief of staff, Maj. Gen. Ataoallah Salehi sounded a warning when he stated Sunday, Nov. 30: The “heavy weight” of enemy warships provides the Iranian side with an ideal opportunity for launching successful counter-attacks.

Any Aliens in the neighbourhood and UFO#s to stop all this ? Or a Blossom Goodchild.

December 8, 2008 at 12:31 pm
(106) Yar-man says:

The 3rd world war is a plan to reduce the population of the earth..A new world order will then arrive..This is no secret..Unfortunately many are not seeing the plan in motion..Saying that. It has nothing to do with religion..All our souls contain the creation.. This KJ is what you feel..It seems you are a good person and live the right way..I don’t want to ruffle any feathers but i think the bible is antiquated we need to understand present day spiritual philosophy.. Jesus was a enlightened human being..There have been in the past others of the same genre and there will continue to be more in the future.. The Romans were the first to adopt christianity for political reasons..By the way most of the world was illiterate when Moses left Egypt, and still were thousands of years later. The bible was used as a tool of power by the elitists..

December 9, 2008 at 1:24 am
(107) POOKIE says:

KJ SAYS:

Biblical principals are good for mankind. It gives people more tolerance towards others especially when you can forgive another for wrongdoing and turn the other cheek and love your neighbour as yourself. Why is this so wrong in a setting of true religion

Donít confuse the real christian people who do not instill fear in people, but instill peace and love in the heart of others with their kindness, love and compassion

now if that does not describe KJ I don’t know what does! rofl

December 9, 2008 at 6:00 pm
(108) KJ says:

Pookie, Pookie is that you ???

Pookie Lipbalm ? Lololololol

December 9, 2008 at 7:16 pm
(109) Starr DiGiacomo says:

I think this is one of the very sensitive reasons that society doesn’t really want to acknowledge the existence of ETs in that it would go against what they’ve been taught in the theological sense. I am a ufologist of sorts and I constantly have to remind my 11 year old not to push the subject too harshly on her peers who at the present are mainly Southern Baptist. We walk on eggshells where we live. It saddens me to know that Mr. Obama doesn’t see the whole picture and since the Presidency is “On a need to know basis” unless something extraordinary happens on his watch, he’ll still have that smug attitude.

December 10, 2008 at 2:15 am
(110) R Scott says:

I’m RC and at the same time since looking into the UFO problem v. Biblical Old Testament accounts of life’s beginning here on this Ball, have come to realize the possibility:

- We are planted genetic life designed to breath air

- We are the product of other species will

- We were never alone and since nuclear destructive devices came to be, are so very-much more closely monitored. Not just by our makers, but by others too.

December 13, 2008 at 5:19 am
(111) Pookie says:

KJ no it’s Pookie Bofonofowitz
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

January 6, 2009 at 3:49 am
(112) Jacob says:

Hello.

I would like to learn more about a section called Genesis 2:1 and a section called Genesis 6:3 and much more perhaps.

Are you sure that there are not angels and disembodied nephilim using physical shells and attempting to lead mankind away from the Father by masquerading as benevolent primate evolving aliens and saviour elohim?

Interesting time maybe.

-Jacob (atruthsearcher@aol.com)

January 6, 2009 at 3:56 am
(113) Jacob says:

I would like to learn more about a section called Isaiah 24:21 and a section called Jeremiah 10:10-15 and a section called Daniel 11:38-39 and much more perhaps.

March 7, 2009 at 5:26 pm
(114) Yvette says:

This question will leave space for all sorts of doctrine of men such as the elect, the kenites, the children of the serpent etc… In my personal relationship with God I have been revealed that I am chosen. We are not perfect and were in the need of a redemption thus we were given the chance that the rebellious angels will never have to be justified and forgiven of our sins. Are these beings fallen angels who can transform in angels of light. Are these fallen angels wearing this silicone suits with red eyes to deceive if it were possible the elects? Will these sighting be used to justify the rapture of the church? Are these one of the plagues that will opress every human being on earth at a given time of suffering? One thing I know and is that we have been given a second chance to have eternal life. For those who do not believe this is not a Rhema for you (revelation).

May 24, 2009 at 2:05 pm
(115) Larry Jennings says:

Why should it even matter? God created life. The “Man” who was created in God’s image refers to the special soul or spirit that makes man unique from the other animals. The body is in no way in the image of God. Yet. We are meant to evolve into beings that will be in the image of our creator. And this was promised us in our Bible. Science gives us lots of insights into how God does things, but it is still God’s show and He runs it. If aliens exist, they are just part of the greater creation. Perhaps just at different levels of evolution. As are we all. The point is we shouldn’t worry too much about aliens or the idea of them until we get our own “house” (planet) in order. How can we possibly expect to be good galactic neighbors when we can’t be good neighbors to members of our own species?

June 25, 2009 at 3:18 pm
(116) Frannie says:

Why do all you Chritians think your own view is the only view? You throw out quotes from the bible oblivious to the fact that half the world doesn’t revere the Old and New Testaments as a Holy Book. It is the most UN-Christlike thinking! Use tolerance and respect for others in your thinking and in your postings, please! I am sure we are not alone in the Cosmos but I shuter to think how we would treat strangers that came to visit! Aliens are demons? Why is everything we can not explain bad? Why do we treat others who are different looking than ourselves so poorly. Tha is not a Christlike attitude for all you Christians to be spewing.

August 9, 2009 at 3:26 pm
(117) Scott says:

What about Enoch… Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.”

He was the great grandfather of Noah. Theorists speculate that the Enochian writings are proof of ancient extraterrestrial contact. All the Bible has to say is that he was the great-grandfather of Noah ,the Seventh generation from Adam, and that “Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away. Genesis 5:24
Enoch is also one of only two Old Testament Biblical characters taken bodily to heaven, that is, while still alive (the other being Elijah). The First Book of Enoch is broken down into five distinct sections

The Book of Watchers
The Book of Parables
The Book of the Heavenly Luminaries
The Dream Visions (Also called the Book of Dreams)
The Epistle of Enoch
Some have suggested that the “Book of Giants” should be part of this Enochian collection, appearing after the Book of Watchers. The legends of the Watchers are among the most incredible of the writings attributed to Enoch. The Watchers have been called ‘ancient astronauts’, ‘angels’, ‘demons’ and ‘gods’.

The Books Of Enoch, as well as assorted Jewish and Middle Eastern legends describe how God had sent a legion of angels to earth in order to watch over and assist man during the beginning of civilization – The Watchers. These angels rebelled against the laws of God. Enoch goes on to say “…but they chose husbands and wives from among the humans and led greatly debauched lives, neglecting their heavenly duties…” They angered God greatly and were banished . Later becoming known as the Fallen Angels. The hybrid offspring from the mating of Watchers and Human females became known as the Nephilim. Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Relative extract for 1st Enoch

“In those days, when the children of man had multiplied, it happened that there were born unto them handsome and beautiful daughters. And the angels, the children of heaven , saw them and desired them; and they said to one another, ‘Come, let us choose wives for ourselves from among the daughters of man and beget us children.’ And Semyaz, being their leader, said unto them,’I fear that perhaps you will not consent that this deed should be done, and I alone will become (responsible) for this great sin.’ But they all responded to him, ‘Let us all swear an oath and bind everyone among us by a curse not to abandon this suggestion but to do the deed.’ Then they all swore together and bound one another by (the curse) And they were altogether two hundred;” – 1 Enoch 6:1-7

Relative extract from 2nd Enoch

“These are the Grigori, who with their prince Satanail rejected the Lord of light, and after them are those who are held in great darkness on the second heaven, and three of them went down on earth to the place Ermon, and broke through their vows on the shoulder of the hill Ermon and saw the daughters of men how good they are, and took to themselves wives, and befouled the earth with their deeds, who in all times of their age made lawlessness and mixing, and giants are born and marvelous big men and great enmity. And therefore God judged them with great judgment, and they weep for their brethren and they will be punished on the Lord’s great day.” – 2 Enoch 18:3-4 HUMMMMMMM….

June 8, 2010 at 8:35 am
(118) skyanide says:

i have lived in alaska my whole life and my mom has lived in alaska for the maojority of her life. when she was a kid an old man gave her one of the greatest ufo photos ever taken, and im not sure if i wanna show it. supposedly while he was camping with his friends, a little after colored fim was invented they saw a huge flying saucer fly over themountains and it was photographed. u can see that its not tampered with, and that this is a real flyig saucer and u can see every detail of it. he gave it to my mom because he didnt want to keep it anymore, because his friends that were with him when he tooka photo of it are the only people who believed him.

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